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Starfield steam page for the DLC currently shows eight user review score of 41%, making this one of the worst Bethesda DLC's released of all time. This is so horribly, shockingly bad for Bethesda, because it shows as a gaming company, they are no longer capable of delivering a really good gaming experience as they had in the past. Some of the reviews sum up quite nicely what is wrong with this DLC....

Less content than any skyrim DLC. Less than The Fallout 4 story DLCs. Doesn't change of the complaints people had with the base game, writing is still at a 4th grade level.

Quick: If you are looking to buy my answer is no, you aren't missing much content. I was really hoping to enjoy this DLC. Took about 4 hours for the main story and maybe 2 more hours to 100% the achievements.

These two reviews I think really summed up what Starfield has become, $70 for an AAAA title that has extremely little buy-in from the community, horrifically low amount of replayability and can be breezed through easily. It's mind-boggling to see this

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Remember when Cyberpunk fucked up their release. They knew they fucked up and owed it to the gamers. They told their board and stockholders to hold off, and that they needed to rebuild trust with their users before they could make line go up.

So they took their time, they redid many of the mechanics that people didn't like, the fixed all of the bugs, and then they released Phantom Liberty - one of the best expansions I have ever seen in gaming history. Good enough where it could have been a game on it's own.

That is how you rebuild trust with the community. You tell your stockholders to shut the fuck up and let you do what you do best. If they don't trust you to do that, then fuck em, they can sell their stock, why are they holding stock in a company they don't trust?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Post-2.0 Cyberpunk is one of the best gaming experiences I've had in a long time. You can tell it's a product of effort, and love for the project. They have taken in a considerable amount of feedback from pre-1.5.

Meanwhile, Starfield is a complete miss in just about every way imaginable, and the expansion has followed through the same footsteps. On top of that, the studio actively gaslit people who expressed disapproval, even when it was constructive criticism.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I fully expect them to say it's getting "review bombed" now, which is the current industry redefining of a term to make it come off as "It's not us, it's the stupid gamer's fault"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

It's not a review bomb if it's fully deserved. If you make a bad product, you deserve a bad review, and maybe Bethesda should have thought about that ahead of time

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Cyberpunk was buggy, unoptimized, and kind of unfinished, but the fundamental game design was sound.

Starfield on the other hand is broken at its core. The Bethesda RPG experience just does not translate to the open worlds space map they built the game on. So they can't take the cyberpunk approach because they'd have to build an entirely different game from scratch.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I don't know why anyone decided that that engine was the right way to go. The number one thing that killed the game for me was the endless loading screens. Constantly. Whenever I started feeling immersed, a new loading screen would pop up and it ruined it for me. We have engines left and right that don't need to do this anymore, but starfield, the game that's trying to base itself to be a realistic exploration game, decided that endless loading screens were still the best way to go

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

even without the loading screens it would still be terrible. get a quest, go to your ship, take off, travel to other system, land, exit your ship, walk to destination, reverse all that to turn the quest in, rinse and repeat. it's just a tedious experience.

the best part of Bethesda games is just being able to wander around aimlessly in a pretty environment, likely stumbling upon little easter eggs or side quests along the way. none of that exists in Starfield.

[–] ICastFist 2 points 1 week ago

Reading it like that, the loop sounds straight off Diablo 1 on PSX. Get quests, head to the dungeon, loading screen, wipe the floor, loading screen, wipe next floor, back to town, loading screen, turn in.

That kind of loop is not bad in itself, but Bethesda applied it to the wrong type of game.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Given the amount of the playable game that takes place on foot, they should have called it Field

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Same with No Man's Sky. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but they buckled down and delivered on almost every promise that they failed on back at release. Not only that but every update since the game came out has been for free. Both No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk are fantastic games, and they were garbage on release. Bethesda has been doing the opposite approach and avoiding feedback from fans since Skyrim came out the first time.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I might need to revisit cyberpunk, I didn't know an expansion was ever released. I kind of hit max level doing mostly side quests within 4 months of launch and lost interest.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They changed a lot, but in a good way. I had also spent a while away from the game and came back recently for the expansion. It's really good.

I would suggest starting a new character from scratch if you pick up the DLC. You'll really appreciate the new changes to cyberwear that way.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

I would definitely need a new character, nothing worse than picking up an old save and having zero clue about what's going on in game. I think I'll put that on my list, I really did enjoy the game at the time I played it, and I definitely got 100 hours playtime from it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've had it sitting in my library, maybe it's finally time to play it. Which is the better voice actor to pick, dude or chick?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I prefer the male voice but the female voice is more emotive. Plus the female avatar gets a nice story with Judy.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's pretty legit. It stands on it's own, and they also improved the base game quite a bit. I'd suggest it for sure

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I was having fun, despite the flaws at launch. I'm sure with improvements and more content it'll be a great one to revisit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Phantom Liberty is a great expansion in its own right, combined with the 2.0 changes just made the entire experience better.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

It's REALLY good.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

basically the major points of change was launch, then cyberpunk edgerunners clothing dlc patch (1.0 but bigs fixed). 2.0 rewrote some of the games mechanics that dropped before the expansion. and then the expansion was released (which added new endings)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I’m waiting for the ultimate edition that will include everything here

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, it all hinged in the fact that under all those glitches and bugged mechanics CDPR still had a nice game. Starfield can't be salvaged cuz the core game is just mediocre shit.

I wanna say it's a failed IP at this point, but who knows how many copies sold. What is sure is it doesn't deserve any more of my time. I have the DLC but won't reinstall that garbage

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The difference is, there is no fixing Starfield, it is rotten to the core. You would have to re-do most of the story elements and writing, and the disjointed, empty world. On top of that you'd have to fix the bugs and technical limitations like the constant loading screens. At this point you would be throwing out most of the game and basically starting from scratch with a few systems done, like the ship building and possibly gunplay.

I think cyberpunk never became what many wanted, but if you let go of your expectations, it is a good game.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Still better than Horse Armor. So no, not Bethesda's worst DLC.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

At least horse armor was good for the memes. This is so bland no one even cares to meme about it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Still better than Horse Armor. So no, not Bethesda’s worst DLC.

The difference is that Oblivion wasn't bad at all. It was terrific. Starfield was trash from the beginning, then delivers a trash DLC. That's much worse. No improvement.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And it was something people were hoping would save the game. But, it's unfortunately more confirmation that Bethesda can no longer produce quality games.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Bethesda was obviously already toast to anyone paying attention when Fallout '76 came out. They certainly haven't improved since.

...And I can't believe that these are the motherfuckers who own the rights to Doom now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (11 children)

saying 76 hasnt improved since just shows everyone you dont know what youre talking about

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

worst Bethesda DLC's released of all time

Are we including Horse Armor here?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Bethesda literally invented shitty DLC

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hey im all for giving Bethesda shit for publishing an incredibly bland game, but 8 reviews hardly seem like a solid foundation to make that title.

EDIT : I've realised that autocorrect might have gotten you since around 1, 1k user reviews still sit at around 42% positive

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Welp, guess I can officially uninstall Starfield. Bummer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I have no hope for The Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 5. It was a good run but like all things. Everything comes to an end.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Glad I didn’t buy the DLC and decided I’ll wait for some sort of definitive edition to play Starfield again. I hope by that point it will be a better overall game and have enough new things to make it worth the time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

I'm enjoying it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I don't think this means ES6 is doomed. Did anyone play the Civ space game? It was an offshoot one-off experiment that wasn't really well recieved and they quietly moved on.

My guess is that this game pivoted during development and they ended up with something that didn't really work and shouldn't have shipped. The failure to find something good in this experiment may be isolated to this game.

The fact that they released it in the state they did could be more about their workflow and project pipeline/target milestones they need to hit than it is about their ability to execute.

The failure here is in design, ES6 has a tried and true design to follow.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I actually liked beyond earth 🥲

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But but, we've been told Bethesda hears us and was fixing it!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Microsoft really knows how to pick the winners, don't they?

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