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[–] [email protected] 91 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

I hadn't actually considered academic writing as an expression of sociopathic manipulation until now, but it explains a lot.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

This is perfect

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

Yeah, it's an in-group exclusivity signifier.

Shame, math is some of the worst at this, everything is named after some guy, so there's 0 semantic associativity, you either know exactly which Gaussian term they mean, or you are completely clueless even though they just mean noise with a normal distribution.

edit: Currently in a very inter-disciplinary field where the different mathematicians have their own language which has to be translated back into first software, then hardware. It's so confusing at first till you spend 30 minutes on wikipedia to realize they're just using an esoteric term to describe something you've used forever.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

IT guy here, we suffer from a similar problem where everything is an acronym so it sounds like alphabet soup that if said as a word means sometimes you can't even quietly go look it up later. You either nod along knowing what it means or nod along not knowing what it means but having no chance to learn without outing yourself.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

And you can't out yourself because, in many workplace cultures, the appearance of knowing is more important than actually knowing. :/

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Gotta love Dirichlet boundary conditions (the function has to have this value), Neumann boundary conditions (the derivative has to have this value) and Cauchy boundary conditions (both).

On the other hand, there's a bunch of things that are so abstract that it's difficult to give them a descriptive name, like rings, magmas and weasels

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Trying to teach yourself higher math without a textbook is nearly impossible.

You could try just Googling all the Greek letters and symbols but have fun sifting through the hundred-odd uses of σ for the one that's relevant to your context. And good fucking luck if it's baked into an image.

The quickest way I've gotten an intuition for a lot of higher math things was seeing it implemented in a programming language.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I really like the naming of things after their discoverers/inventors. I'm picturing a mathematician getting upset:

"How dare you speak about Friedrich Gauss like that. He dragged that universities astronomy department out of the stone age, even after the death of his first wife..."

The history of the people helps me with remembering the concepts.

Disclaimer: I am NOT a mathematician.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I understood every word of that, and I hate you.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I understood about 45% of that, and I also hate them.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

In defense of jargon:

coming up with new ideas and expressing them to others requires new vocabulary. You can't simply say things in "plain English" especially when you want to communicate with peers.

This is why academia is so often refereed to as a discipline; you must train yourself in new ways of thinking. Making it accessible to the layperson is the job of scientific communicators, not scientists at large.

And it's not like this is a unique issue with acedemia, every organization I've ever participated in had special vocabulary if it was necessary or not.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Many professionals (not only scientists) are really bad at crafting sentences and texts, even without jargon.

I get jargon, but even if you replace all of the jargon in a typical paper with simple words, the writing style is often horrible. It's often weirdly repetitive, has fluff-pieces and empty phrases, and just doesn't get to the point. (I'll ignore the inherent worthlessness of many articles here, since this is a symptom of funding policy)

I don't expect a scientific article to be understandable for someone outside the field, but do yourself the disfavour and ask a random scientist, what it is they're actually doing and to explain it in simple terms. Most can't. And that says to me, that these people never learned (or were taught) how to actually boil a concept down to its essence. And that I think is pretty bad.

As an example, two scientists from different fields could work on almost the same problem from different angles, but they would never know that if they talked to each other, because they are unable to express their work in a way the other person can understand.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don't expect a scientific article to be understandable for someone outside the field, but do yourself the disfavour and ask a random scientist, what it is they're actually doing and to explain it in simple terms. Most can't. And that says to me, that these people never learned (or were taught) how to actually boil a concept down to its essence. And that I think is pretty bad.

As an example, two scientists from different fields could work on almost the same problem from different angles, but they would never know that if they talked to each other, because they are unable to express their work in a way the other person can understand.

This is why I believe scientists should be required to take liberal arts classes; especially related to written and spoken language. Trying to read a scientific paper as an outsider is painfully hard because you're trying to understand what the Big Words are trying to say, but then the paper also takes a borderline meandering path that loops back on itself or has sections that mean nothing, leaving you (or at least, me) confused. Like, c'mon man, I'm trying to understand what you're saying, but your narrative is more convoluted than House of Leaves.

How can you expect to truly make a breakthrough in science if you struggle to accurately and precisely convey your ideas to your peers? Study the great writers so your papers can have great writing and results.

If it helps, try doing it from a scientific perspective - as if you're studying a brand new creature or property of physics - and make notes on things like,

How the author expresses their ideas.

Was the author easily understandable?

What, if anything, made it easier or harder for you to understand what was written?

What elements made the writing more precise, concise and/or accurate to what the author was trying to convey (using outside sources)?

...and so forth.

(And yes, I also think liberal arts students should be required to take some level of hard STEM classes (not watered-down "libarts-compatible" stuff, but actual physics, chemistry, biology, etc) as well.)

Edit: you might even end up with a reputation for being more intelligent than you actually are, simply because you're able to convey your ideas significantly better than your peers.

Edit 2: or alternatively, study a programming language until you're decent at it, and then write your papers as if you're trying to explain them to a computer.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Jargon is only legitimate when it clarifies more than plain English. If it does, fine, use it.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

you know the academic jargon is bad when you can translate it into french and the sentence is almost the exact same

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

French scholars are famous for their mastery of obscurantism. That's what this is called.

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[–] NostraDavid 39 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

I asked ChatGPT to convert the text to common words:

"Academic writing is often hard to understand because it uses complicated words specific to a particular field, making it easier for experts to communicate with each other but harder for outsiders to follow. This keeps certain knowledge limited to a small group of people and maintains a cycle where only the educated or 'in' crowd can fully engage, while others are left out."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think this leaves out the "epistemological imperative", which I understand as the compulsion to use this specific language for the sake of being scientifically accurate. Particularly when dealing with peers, who will all too readily hold you accountable for inaccuracies, being precise is important, possibly even necessary to avoid the scientific community's habit of tearing into any error to prove their own proficiency by showing up your deficiency.

I can't find my source any more, unfortunately, but I read an article once about how students are essentially scared to have their writing torn to shreds because they were too direct in their assertions. I recall that it related an anecdote about birds on a movie set that were supposed to all fly away at the sound of a gunshot. Except they tried to fly away beforehand, so the solution was to tie them to the branch and release that wire when they were supposed to fly. Then the birds tried anyway, didn't get anywhere, ended up hanging upside down and falling unconscious. When they tried again (after restoring the birds to consciousness), they released the wire... but the birds had learned that trying to fly away was unpleasant, so they just sat there instead. Why bother, if you go nowhere?

In the same manner, academics who write too clearly will end up getting bad grades, have papers rejected, essentially be punished for it. They may learn that, by carefully coaching their assertions, assumptions or just about anything that could be conceived as a statement of facts in a multi-layered insulation of qualifying statements and vague circumscriptions to avoid saying something wrong and show the acknowledgement that, like science in general, the causation they're ascribing this phenomenon to is at best an educated guess and, while we can narrow down things that are not true, we can never be certain that things we assume are true really are and won't be refuted somewhere down the line, making them look like morons...

I lost track of the sentence. Anyway, if you make mistakes, you'll get attacked. Most people don't like being attacked. So if you've been attacked enough, eventually you'll either give up or adopt strategies to avoid being attacked.

Being complex and obscure in your phrasing makes it harder to attack you. And if it's hard to understand you, people might just skim the points and not bother with the attackable details anway. If you notice that people who write in a difficult style don't get attacked as much or as badly, you'll adopt that style too.

Eventually, your writing is read by students stepping to fill your shoes. They may not understand why you write this way, but they see that many successful academics do. They may also experience the same attacks and come to the same conclusion. Either way, your caution has inspired a new generation of academic writers who will continue that trend.

Finally you'll end up with a body of scientific knowledge that only experts can still navigate. They know to skim past the vagueness, indirections and qualifications, mostly understand the terms and can take the time to pick apart the details if something strikes them as odd. The common rube doesn't understand jack shit. Your research may further the understanding of a small group of people, possibly see some practical use, but the general public can't directly make any use of it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago
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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

inhales

Complex 1a was prepared according to well-known synthetic procedures. The reduction potential of the complex was increased due to the nephelauxetic expansion of the occupied FMOs induced by photolytic epimerization of the auxiliary tetrahydrophosphazolidine sulfide ligand to enable a strongly σ-donating dihaptic coordination mode.

translation: we made molecule 1a, we shouldn't need to tell you how, it's obvious, lmao, git gud. the molecule became less likely to gain extra electrons because shining light on it made one of its weird-ass totally-not-bullshit parts wiggle around a bit so that it could bind more strongly to the metal atom through two of its own adjacent atoms, making the metal atom's relevant electrons floofier.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

'floofier' should be standard academic jargon

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I'm still pissed at being forced to write in a passive voice in university. It's awkward and carries less information, and makes it seem like nobody had any agency, science just kind of happened on its own and you were there to observe it.

I don't know why anyone would prefer something like "An experiment was conducted and it was found that..."

To the much better "We conducted an experiment and found..."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's dumb. We write like normal people in academic papers too. I don't know why they ever taught it this way.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

That also sounds odd to me. I've been consistently taught in school to avoid passive voice and it was a huge struggle for me for a long time (case in point). I'm attending a college in Canada for the record.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

I got taught that rule in my freshman year, but then my thesis advisor told me to stop doing that because "only old people write like that"

So I suppose academia is evolving (however you still aren't allowed to use first person speech)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago

It's something that people, in least in my field of microbiology, have been recently aware of and are trying to correct. The problem is not just an in-group signifier, since everyone, even experts, finds the author insufferable and difficult to understand

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

I understood all of that.

That's what half a year of city college will get you.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In my first year of uni, I had to write a 20 page paper, so I wrote it about how academic writing sucks.

Cheeky as hell, but I got a good grade, and my teacher liked it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

It's legit a great topic. Scientists need to remember that communication is an important skill.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

I dated a girl who acted like writing / talking like that made her better / smarter than other people. She got off on the elitism. I’m no academic slouch, but my philosophy is if you can’t break it down in basic terms that anyone can understand, then you don’t understand it enough yourself.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I would go so far as to say that knowing and understanding something is only half of the issue. The other half is being able to clearly convey it to others. And that’s where a lot of people (myself included) fall short.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

I think any scientist should able to convey at least the high level concepts that they're working on at the level that a smart 12th-grader can follow. If you can't do that, I think that's a sign that you're probably not thinking about your work very clearly. Being able to distill things and context-switch back to a birds-eye view of your work is critical for knowing what direction you're heading in.

(I say this from the perspective of a climate scientist - our field has a pretty active public/lay conversation and lots of science comma, but I think the concept still applies to other sciences, and social sciences.)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The loser research paper vs the chad blog tutorial

^ literally anything related to buffer overflow attacks lol

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

Academic security research is constitutionally bad because academia as an environment selects people with a “hacker mentality” out at the freshman stage.

It’s inherently biased towards rule-followers. That’s not a bad thing, but it means it’s bad at some things. Such as computer security research.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If I might interject.

One word mean many thing to not same people.

Use special word for special job. Special job doers no get dizzy. All know special word mean same thing.

Special words job help make many people with not same word skill talk gooder.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

If you need an example of this read republic book 1.

Socrates essentially just dunks on these guys that are trying to define justice.

One of them says that justice is doing good to your friends and evil to your enemies

The way that socrates reubuts this argument is that the fella in question doesn't define friends, enemies, good, or evil, so how can he expect to come up with an idea of what justice is before first defining these other concepts that are meaningful to us because of their common usage, but can be twisted greatly in logical argumentation.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

I don't read much (/any) academic writing, but does it really misuse words the way the link portrays?

Eg

  • academic writing isn't prose, like that's almost the definition of prose.
  • intra-specialized doesn't mean anything (the intra prefix didn't work on adjectives)
  • "obfuscating ... accessibility" means making it difficult to see that it is accessible, where the author probably actually wants to say "reducing the ability of outsiders to access the meaning"

I get that it is satire, but imo it would be better satire if he put in the work to actually make it mean something. Unless the point is that academic writers misuse thesauruses this badly.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I think the point is that academic writers use large terms, despite using them wrong, when diminutive ones would suffice.

They use big words for the sake of using big words. Whether they make any sense whatsoever, is entirely beside the point.

The text, as I understand it is essentially saying the same thing, using big words to obfuscate that they're actually saying something rather boring and simple, which also has the point of obfuscating the meaning of the text to anyone who isn't an academic; aka someone who isn't used to such nonsensical word play.

There's a good reason I've avoided any work in academic fields. They incorrectly use terms, which just muddies the water on what the hell they're actually saying. Not only because the terms are big/less known, but because they're often used wrong.

IMO, academics are morons who like to sound smart.

... Do you concur?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

"You just said a bunch of big words I don't understand, so imma take it as disrespect."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

Reminds about GCC wiki.

What does reload do?

Good question. The what is still understandable. Don't ask about the how.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Is there an AcademicDictionary in the vein of Urban Dictionary for all the jargon and filler patterns?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

Academic writing can be used as a smoke screen to mask bullshit, or to express ideas concisely. But this can happen in all communication.

Another important function is that communicating in this style shows you know "how thingsa re done". It functions as an implicit screening for wierdos, but comes at the expense of keeping people wit hgood ideas but an unadapted writing style out of the field.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This post reports that the requirement to use words like "novel" and refer to ourselves using the third-person "we" was circumvented following our transition to industry. Furthermore, the capability to write original text without using the passive voice was gained. These developments represent a significant improvement in clarity. Additional increases in the efficiency of communication may be possible as the ability to express concepts in a straightforward manner is developed further.

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