Like amplify the false rumor a random Facebook mom in Ohio started?
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Man, the kids were really prophetic with their slang. I'm from Michigan, so I've always been biased against Ohio, but goddamn if they don't give reasons to be.
Real. What the fuck is there to do in Ohio other than drugs.
Cedar point doesn't count. As a Michigander I do not recognize Ohio's claim over Toledo.
Leave
Hell, I'm IN Ohio and I agree. Outside of a few places, the majority of Ohio sucks.
The closest I've ever been to a bar fight was while checking in to a hotel in Ohio.
Having been living it for the last what 10 years now? It amazes me how stupid and gullible the right wing public is.
People are gullible, not just right-wingers. You’re just more likely to perceive the other side as gullible and not notice the blind spots of your own. And well, we are living in a moment in history of a surge in right wing populism, which puts that side’s gullibility in full frontal display.
People are gullible, not just right-wingers.
See also: everyone who genuinely thinks JD Vance actually did fuck a couch.
also: everyone who genuinely thinks
One of the reasons that was fun was that it was always a joke, usually presented in the negative so it’s technically true “JD Vance denies fucking a couch”. Right from the beginning, it was presented as a joke gone viral.
Were there genuine believers?
The AP was clear: No, JD Vance did not have sex with a couch.
He still hasn't denied it.
While technically true that "People are gullible, not just right-wingers.", this is misleading in this context. Studies have been done! For example: https://academic.oup.com/poq/article/87/2/267/7147091
Some quotes from the study: "Accordingly, a surplus of pro-conservative misinformation may indicate, simply, that conservatives are more gullible. This logic is illustrated by the story of Macedonian teenagers who converged to producing false stories catering to Trump supporters, rather than Bernie Sanders supporters, because it worked better." "...misinformation catered more to conservatives, and this contributes to them being on average more likely to believe false information."
I am aware, and it’s good you brought this up. All sides are gullible, but some perhaps more than others. Although, the very study you posted a link to states clearly that other studies have had mixed results. Are you posting this one because, as a political scientist, you know the field and studies referenced and can assert with confidence acquired through disciplined study that this work provides better proof that conservatives are indeed more gullible (where other studies failed), or are you posting it because it appears to confirm your a priori views of conservatives?
Apart from the actual truth of the matter, I made my comment above because I believe that looking down on conservative concerns and viewpoints - something that is naturally aided by any perceptions of conservatives as gullible simpletons - has not served liberals well. In fact, it’s something that right wing populists have been able to exploit quite well to gain the sympathy and ultimately the vote of large swathes of said simpletons.
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Create an anti-vaxx movement?
It probably only takes a staff on the order of a thousand people to make things go viral on the internet.
If it's your job to just sign up for social media accounts (fill in the the captchas, type in a name, upload a few images) you could easily create at least a hundred per day.Multiply that by a thousand and that's one hundred thousand accounts per day.
Of course you'd have to post some comments occasionally to make it look real. But that would just be re-wording the text from other comments. Of course if someone were to do this, youtube comments would look like, well... exactly like youtube comments are like right now.
So figure a a hundred thousand accounts per week with comments to make it look legit, that's millions of accounts per year. Yeah you'd want to space it out a bit so it wouldn't look suspicious. And you'd need to route the traffic through a botnet so the IPs are from the same country the account claims to be from. But within a year you'd have millions of accounts that all appear legit to any automated system checking them.
So now you've got the accounts and you want something to go viral. Have your thousand people start logging into accounts and running the video or whatever through your botnet, click like, leave a comment, maybe even check out the ad so the social media company makes a bit of money and aren't incentivized to look at it too closely. This probably only takes around 10 seconds per account. You could have anything you want have at least a million likes and engagement within a day. Which is probably way more than is needed for the algorithms to start recommending the content to legitimate users. And then it's all automatic from there.
Sure a few thousand people sounds like a lot. But not for the government of a country that wants to do disinformation.
It probably only takes a staff on the order of a thousand people to make things go viral on the internet.
Depending on the site, maybe less than that.
It wasn't all that long ago that Reddit had "power users" that was just a small handful of people/one person running an account that consistently made it viral on the site.
Yep, like the jackdaw dude. No, not going to name him. He didn't have that many alt accounts but they were enough for that initial push of his posts.
Was that unidan? I remember it being a story back then but I could be mixing up my random internet accounts.
Correct.
YouTube comments I see are usually perfectly done, bots are the exception?
It also took one person to start the whole couch fucking thing.
That one was more fun
And a lot fewer people have threatened to bomb schools and hospitals because of it.
And no one ever took it seriously
I'm not so sure about that....have you seen some of the people on the internet.
But it reeeaaally pissed someone off and that's what matters
Yes, all they had to do was laugh a bit and ignore it, but they just couldnt
In both cases, it wasn't the original message that kicked off the firestorm, it was a deliberate strategy put forward by billion-dollar presidential campaigns.
Nobody knew about the "eating my neighbor's cat" post even after the debate. It took weeks to track down what Laura Loomer had whispered into Trump's ear. Nobody considered the "Hillbilly Elegy had a chapter where Vance fucks a couch" tweet important until celebrities and politicians began retweeting it as a means of disgracing a weird conservative sex pest.
If there's a rumor started by a smear campaign run out of an office in Moscow (and they're even halfway competent in their execution) you're likely only going to hear about it once it becomes the focus of some rhetorical exchange-of-fire on a top tier domestic social media celebrity or in a Senatorial debate. Even then, you won't get to hear where it originated from until the polls have long since closed, in much the same way nobody got the details on the Comey indictment of Hilary or the Georgia election-steal attempt by Trump until it was too late.
It isn't "one person" starting a rumor. Its an industry that feeds on rumors and is constantly regurgitating them to get your attention.
even after the debate. It took weeks to track down...
It hasn't been a full week since the debate.
Damn. It feels like its been ages. My mistake.
I too am tired of living in Interesting Times.
What they do is retweet moms in Ohio
I mean, they don't just retweet them, they twist the narrative, write legitimate looking articles on legitimate looking websites that people can quote, and subtly propose civil unrest, as that's their ultimate goal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_disinformation_website_campaigns_in_Russia
It's moms in Ohio all the way down.
imagine what an ex-KGB agent with unlimited resources can do.
Oh, there's no need to imagine: I'm on the internet right now. I'm probably staring at this kind of state-actor bullshit on a daily basis without even knowing it.
Sometimes it's easier to recognise than other times.
Fifty-fifty.
But my history has at least one.
Get agitators into communities and stoke fears. So that the messages are posted by the people stoked and you are able to stay removed from it as the actual source.
Just like everything in the Trump era, that KGB agent would fail miserably because why would something so ridiculous work? The most significant lasting legacy of Maga-politics will be the death of comedy, because who would write something so extreme? No one would believe it
Not “can” but “is” doing.
unlimited resources
Russia
.... So what like a shitty laptop from 2009, a broadband connection and a full bottle of vodka as pay?
Invade ukraine apparently.
Apparently not.
This story is the most Ohio thing that ever Ohio'd.
No shit.
The stoopid are quite frightening
Linkerbaan moment.
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