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As noted in the article, Nutella is made with palm oil, whose farming often results in habitat loss for animals such the Bornean orangutan, which is critically endangered. Ferrero claims they have a chain for palm oil such that it doesn't come from devastating monoculture plantations, but whether that's enough or even if it's true at all isn't my call to make for you. I don't personally take palm oil as part of my diet as I see it as something I can practicably cut out to reduce harm, but whether this is vegan or just plant-based is something you'll have to decide.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ugh, that sounds horrible (there are alternatives that don't use palm oil already, and they taste great)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

As someone out-of-the-loop here, do tell. I was hoping they might be out there, and I might give them a shot if they're vegan.

Edit: found one thanks to JubilantJaguar below.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They're made by a local supermarket chain here in Europe, one of their organic brands. They use sunflower oil instead of palm oil, and taste fantastic. Apart from that, just sugar, hazelnuts, cocoa, lecithin and vanilla. Maybe check organic supermarkets in your area?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Do you happen to know the product/ food name? That'd help track local or import options down.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There is a bakery near me that makes their own nutella. Apparently it's really good, but i don't like nutella to begin with, and it annoys me that it's a supplement for chocolate

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

a supplement for chocolate ? what do you mean ?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

yea Nocciolata is my goto brand when I can't find Rapunzel, which is rarer https://www.rapunzel.de/en/spreads-nut-butters.html Their spreads usually have palm oil, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Some are really good (and some are awful - looking at you, "Flora Plant"). If they sell Bionella where you live, try it, it's vegan, organic and fair trade and it tastes just as good as Nutella.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

But why chickpeas and rice syrup? There's lots of vegan hazelnut spreads which taste better than Nutella and don't need such rather exotic ingredients...

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There’s nothing exotic about garbanzo or rice.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Today I learned chickpeas and rice are exotic

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even if they have the 'good' palm oil production, them using it means some other food producer can't buy it. So indirectly it leads to higher priced in the overall palm oil market, which leads to illicit production.
Also, nutella is horrible for you. You're better off with adding chocolate syrup to a peanut butter. https://www.mic.com/articles/165970/what-s-in-a-jar-of-nutella-a-viral-image-shows-the-hazelnut-spread-is-mostly-sugar

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Wait, was there ever any doubt that Nutella is diabetes and CVD in a jar?

Edit: Apparently Ferrero marketed it as healthy if a comment below is to be believed. What the fuuuuuuck.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I remember them running TV ads which were like "to give you the ~~diabetes~~ energy to start into the day".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

So does cocaine

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Fun is fun, but consumption of carbohydrates doesn't cause diabetes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I've always wondered what Nutella tasted like! My kids love it

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

It's the taste of betrayal often marketed as chocolate.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It's sweet but not overly sweet and very rich. It's like if you took fudge, made it creamier, and spread it on something. It's been quite a few years since I've had it. Because it's one of those foods that, like bacon, everyone seems to treat as literal perfection as almost a meme, I'm sure it has an air of intrigue to it. Like bacon, I feel, it's pretty good but unexceptional.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As a German... Nutella is crap. There are way better brands.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In my experience, the German Nutella has always been superior to the American formulation - the former is heavier on the hazelnuts and lighter on the sugar in comparison.

There are still much tastier products out there, especially since there has been time for development of similar products after Nutella became more popular.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

So the US nutella is even worse??

Damn

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's basically chocolate frosting that for some bizarre reason people have convinced themselves is healthy, I guess because there's a tiny amount of hazelnut in it?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Nutella marketed it as healthy as it contained milk (powder) and hazelnuts. It was never healthy due to the amount of sugar.

It was originally made with hazelnuts to make a cheaper chocolate alternative. But hazelnuts are still expensive so they bulk it with palm oil. It’s basically chocolate mayo now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

There is no chocolate in nutella

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Like palm oil and diabetes

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I assume this will be more expensive even though it's made with cheaper ingredients.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

As this is in Europe, I'd mention https://www.valsoia.com/us/products/creamy-hazelnut-cocoa-spread/ which is superior in qualities and has been around for years.

[–] lkdm 2 points 3 months ago

I’d try this