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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Positivity, or at least more constructive comments.

I know a lot of bad stuff is going on worldwide, and I'm not upset the bad news gets mentioned, but it seems we have more tendency as a whole to revert back to the old Reddit ways. More arguing, more downvoting, more piling on to people without any comments why people are disagreeing.

Yesterday there was a discussion about homelessness and I shared stats from Census.gov, as the article from the OP was paywalled. Someone asked a question as to why certain states (basically the red ones) had less reported homeless and why it seemed they had a better handle on the issue than states like CA or NY. While I was typing up a nice response demonstrating causation vs correlation and how looking at a chart showing # of people as counted only in shelters may initially make it seem they had many less homeless when in reality, they have homeless people, but they may either be provided no shelter or they may end up in jail as opposed to being left alone.

By the time my reply was done, I saw the person that asked the question was being downvoted. They hadn't made a statement saying the red states were better with the homeless, they asked a valid question as to why it appeared that way as they had called them the "poor states" and seemed confused how they had funding to keep homelessness down better than the other states. I had also responded to this person before on other occasions when they had questions, so I knew they weren't trolling or spreading misinformation, but no one else, save one other person (with an accurate but snarky reply) chimed in with any type of answer, they just downvoted a legitimate question while offering no help.

I don't feel Lemmy a year ago would have acted this way, and I see it on many threads each day. I for better or worse, have interest in politics and associated things, so I end up reading many negative threads, but I try my hardest to avoid making straight negative comments, and instead try to provide stats or more background info so people are understanding what they're seeing and trying to clear up any confusion so they can make informed choices based on facts. I'll even get downvoted though (not badly) for just sharing info with trustworthy sources. Heck, yesterday I got downvoted for talking about my heat pump, and almost every animal pic I share gets at least 1 or 2 downvotes. Never any comments why, so I just am constantly confused by it.

Just wish we did a bit more to foster a better vibe here. I spend less and less time in other communities and stick to my own, but that doesn't feel like a good way to grow Lemmy. And I'm someone who currently posts and replies daily. Most people still just lurk, no matter what we try to do, and nobody is going to post if they're going to get negged for no reason.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I try to save my snarky or sarcastic comments to top level replies about the article itself, I could do better for certain.

Maintaining a good vibe is an important issue, I used to be more active on Beehaw which was all about that and I still am cognizant of it when I comment there.

[email protected] is one of the cooler communities with your frequent photo posts, we could use a lot more of communities like those.

Ultimately the points don't matter, yet it genuinely feels bad when you or someone that you're certain is posting in good faith gets downvoted, which we need to deal with if we want to encourage posting. Stuff like hiding scores for 20 minutes or vote fuzzing can deal with this issue, but at the same time, I do appreciate having the transparency that Reddit had taken away for years.

A lot of negative news coming in (which has been over the past month) does get reflected in the snarkiness of my comments, but I know that maintaining a positive tone adds a feedback loop for the non-trolls to contribute positively or at least interact genuinely. In threads like this, I try to reward people that have contributed with a similar effort reply.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I'm glad you enjoy my content. I always try to maintain it as an oasis for positive, peaceful, and factual content.

I miss Beehaw. I didn't get it at first since most of Lemmy felt the same, but as time went on, Beehaw kept the same vibe while other instances started to feel more like Reddit. Sadly, Beehaw walled off their garden a bit too much for me, which I respect their choice, but I was already doing the bulk of my posting on World and wanted to keep growing the audience.

Downvotes for trolling or misinformation are important, but when they're used just to be bitchy, I don't get the point. It's rude and discourages the small number of commenters we have.

Snarking at depressing news can be healthy to help process it, but I wish it would focus on the problems and the people causing it, but not be outright crappy to people. Scrolling the threads about Senator Inhofe yesterday, the guy sucked and did a lot of bad things, but the gloating over a guy's death isn't a great look for us. I won't be shedding any tears, but publicly cheering a guy's death isn't something I like keeping company with.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A bit of a rant here.

Recently joined the wider Lemmy community (coming from kbin.social, o7). I like it, but the constant negativity and fear mongering/bait in large communities keeps me from engaging more. I just kind of wish there were more relaxed communities like how niche subreddits can be. I've seen a lot more arguments here than the kbin-specific communities or even Reddit honestly.

I'm going to continue using Lemmy at least for now, but I just hope this place can move past the negativity that plagues major social media platforms already. I get everybody has their views, but is it a requirement to share them every comment/post? It's all jokes and no seriousness on Reddit to all seriousness here. Not very enjoyable. Feels like a lot of the users who created cool niche communities after the Reddit exodus got driven away by the negativity and frivolous downvoting.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Thank you. I feel many are falling in the same trap as the actual media: they want engagement in their community, and the stuff that riles people up does that and gets them coming back. My question is if that is what we want growing here?

I'd rather this just be a place to chill and have fun, but stay up to date on news too. I don't know why people want to argue with the same dozen people here when they could antagonize many more people at Reddit if that's their thing.

I try to post nothing but positive stuff, but if I look around one day and don't enjoy anything else around me here, why would I stay?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. It's sad that so much of modern media is wired for negative engagement, and it's probably hard to avoid "the anger" spreading to the nice corners of the internet as well.

However it sounds like you're doing your part to bring positivity and rational discussion to Lemmy, so thank you for that :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I pitch in where I can and try to steer things back. I look for accurate but shitty responses and try to rephrase them in a more helpful and respectful manner, for example.

It is hard to share articles when they come already set with ragebait titles and writing styles, but we can still hold our own selves accountable how we respond and interact with that content.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'd like to see more people jumping into specific communities for whatever game they're playing at the moment.

I know we have the right demographic here for that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

I get a sense that people (including me) hesitate to be the very first to post in a community after a few weeks or more without activity.

I think there's no real need for that, even if that post doesn't get traction, chances are there will be a post inspired by that post which starts a cycle.

I suggest people who are worried about visibility try posting in a small community, and then crosspost it to a popular community (e.g. posting an Age of Empires discussion in both [email protected] and [email protected]), until things get off the ground.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I would like to see more creators and more people from the sports world. But, the subcultures of Lemmy and Mastodon won’t allow for that

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Can't say I'm a sports guy. I do see some sports articles specific to Canada on [email protected], related to hockey, soccer/football like the Copa America, baseball and basketball. You're right, I also haven't seen much sports discussion outside of that in dedicated hubs.

I was going to mention more pictures, which is similar to what you were saying about creators.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'd love to see more funny video communities. (Bad drivers, epic fails, etc) I know it's basic, apologies. Sometimes I just need to laugh.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I understand the appeal, and I like these types of video posts too sometimes. It's hard for me to say what is the correct amount because I wouldn't like Lemmy to turn into the Tiktok form that Youtube, Instagram, Reddit have adopted from the mass of brainless short-form video content.

Attaching video media to posts is harder in Lemmy than it is in Mastodon, that is something that could be improved.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I wish we had better video upload choices. I tried Streamable but they delete your videos after a few months and most of the other alternatives (Vimeo etc) are paid. I tried Peertube and my video sat in mod limbo. So I guess it's YouTube or nothing for me?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’m not sure it has a name, but proper scaling of communities. There are lots of niche communities that get no traction because they are so small. The subscribers should be using a more general community to gain interest and branch off only once that topic reaches critical mass.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I wholeheartedly agree. There are so many communities that seem to be created just for one specific post and then remain empty (most commonly for games or shows from what I've seen). Instead of building up a more general-purpose community of interactions, the result is a lot of fragmented ghost towns that are far less than the sum of their parts.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Better search results on major search engines. Not gonna sit here and act like I know what I’m talking about but the major benefit of Reddit was being able to search a question and add “reddit” to the search and getting relevant results from years of posts.

I’d love to see lemmy reach that point as thats honestly been my only reason to open reddit recently

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Searching from within Reddit has always been terrible, Lemmy's internal search is very slightly better imo to that low bar. Search engine results are an interesting challenge just because of the way federation works, it's information accessible from all sorts of pages.

I'd imagine to get something like that to work, we'd need a proper "Fedisearch" tool that can crawl and aggregate content across the entire ActivityPub Fediverse to reduce duplication, then search engines would hook into those results, rather than trying to make the Fediverse compatible with SEO algorithms.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So much this!
It's really hard to find someone here who can engage in a healthy discussion, it's ad hominem over and over and over again (not even talking about downvotes, as I don't really care about those funny nunbers)..
And I really don't get it, is it Lemmy specific thing for some reason? Why? It's so absurd, that I think even /pol/ despite everything that is going on there has better discussion to noise ratio.. :/

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

Oh shit, this was supposed to go under a different comment, I don't know how did that happen 🤦
Basically there: https://lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org/post/1184/5077

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Less news and politics and more activity on communities covering niche topics as well as more of just general discussion about everyday stuff.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

More communities dedicated to individual games. That's what I mostly used Reddit for.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

There have been a few comments on helping niche communities thrive.

While tagging and inbuilt community grouping on the software side would be helpful, I suggest posting to small community, then crosspost to the overarching category that is more active with a mention of the original thread.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I know this will improve if Lemmy grows, but at least personally, this is the main reason I don't spend much time on Lemmy relative to Reddit. I've tried posting some, but I'd need to write a bot to even maintain the base level of activity for the communities I follow on Reddit (IE major game updates, new TV show episodes). Don't get me wrong, I'm working on a web scraper for exactly that, but even then, the discussion is what makes these communities, so Im not expecting much.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

More positivity. Or more positivity upvoated maybe. Basically it seems like complaining and negative posts get way more attention than positive ones.

For example I keep seeing a lot of posts from the Linux community that aren't about cool Linux things but about how bad Microsoft/Windows is. Note that I don't follow said community so I only see the stuff that reaches the frontpage.

More posts and communities about just genuinely cool stuff would make lemmy a lot more fun to browse.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'd like more smaller scale projects and events to foster a sense of community, canvas is coming up and it will be a good test to see the dedication and activity of communities in the fediverse

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I look forward to it! Some of the best moments in post-exodus history are the chains of memes spontaneously created from funny posts/comments (poop, beans, jeans, etc.)

Definitely some ideas for more network wide events like canvas, Lemmyvision would be fun!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Some sort of built-in system for checking for reposts. As is, Lemmy's search is a lot more limitted for that sort of thing, so I always feel anxious making a post, worried that I'm just going to repost something recent, and unintentionally spam the community.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

It happens. Just check the front page and make the post. If it's a repost then people will say but not everyone is on all the time. Unless it's a real recent repost just let it fly. Otherwise delete.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'd like posts and replies with videos or galleries attached in Mastodon to be visible on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Same with peertube. Great technology that's seldom used.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

More users, and less crazy people. Sometimes it's ridiculous either what people will argue about, or how mean they'll be.

If a basic summary is 100% accurate you will get torn to shreds.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

more communities. longer comment chains. people engaging in live-threads for example like on /r/soccer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

There are a lot of communities, certainly a wide swath could use more signs of life than they have at present.

So far the only things coming close to Reddit live threads are political events and silly Fediverse drama.

We have some areas that see good discussion, you're right that we are missing long, meaningful discussion chains, as long Lemmy chains are usually either two users arguing getting nowhere, or a classic Reddit-style meme chain (the "and my axe!" type of reply), otherwise you're on [email protected]. Those don't need to be any longer than they already are.

You aren't the first to bring up sports, we have hockey and baseball "live threads", but sports fans haven't shown up in these parts en masse just yet.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

It's taken a while, but I see mostly enough of what I want to see lately. Maybe some more Hack-a-Day style projects / ESP32/Arduino/etc microcontroller projects and such.

I'd also like to see some activity revived in various music communities. Earlier on in Lemmy, those were pretty active with people sharing songs and memories about them. Less so, now. And why people downvote someone's song submission is beyond me, lol, but I digress.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

(Edited) I've gotten used to receiving downvotes occasionally and I'm not bothered. Still, it's true and unfortunate that the way downvotes are given out around here can discourage people from sharing their creations or opinions on interesting topics like music, arts and crafts. Especially since those first few votes can feel like a lot to OPs.

my pre-edit response

Excellent points. I did intentionally word the question as "more" instead of less, in hopes of mitigating the number of unproductive arguments.

We are doing very well on the amount of memes, politics and political memes but it is quite a lot, can feel a bit gloomy at times and you know there are some of the "regulars" that post and comment mostly along specific narratives.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Fair enough :) I respect that. I've edited my comment to remove that bit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've been throwing some of those onto /c/technology and have received some mixed results.

On one hand, they are usually upvoted and some people are really cool about maker projects.

On the other hand...people can be downright mean and will downvote anything they can't personally buy right now or think perfect. The level of snark and straight anger is interesting. If you say anything positive about such a project, there is often a huge amount of downvotes as if people are trying hard to drown out any positivity. Dunno maybe it's just me.

I'm all about testing new and prototype technology and I was hoping it could have its place there. You can't get more diy than hackaday I feel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Maybe join [email protected] and/or [email protected] and post there. I just found those communities not very long ago, and they seem to have some cool content.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

more funny and sassy posts. also with pics sometimes idk

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

More single purpose instances

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Tom Swifty jokes and wild theorycrafting

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

All of the things in this thread will come when more people join. Like, a lot more. Reddit was very much like this when I first started using it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Eh, I like it how it is. It's already developing so fast.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Nothing" is a perfectly valid answer. Even if development on Lemmy is slower than many would like, it is improving on the technical side. I'm sure excited for future progress.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Thanks.

I like what's happening now and I'm excited to see what comes next.