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[–] [email protected] 132 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Ah yes, ph.d intelligence, but the wisdom of a toddler.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Why yes, you CAN put a tomatoes in your fruit salad. It is a fruit after all.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

By this logic I can finally add pizza to my salad!

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (3 children)

mmm, unironically sounds like me. According to my iq test i had PhD level intelligence at 18, and what am i doing at 24? unemployed, playing video games, and crying

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's alright, you can keep going for a bit, I'm about to hit 30 playing video-games and crying

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

but the wisdom of a toddler.

Sounds like an improvement to me lol

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

PhD level intelligence? Sounds about right.

Extremely narrow field of expertise ✔️
Misplaced confidence in its abilities outside its area of expertise ✔️
A mind filled with millions of things that have been read, and near zero from interactions with real people✔️
An obsession over how many words can get published over the quality and correctness of those words ✔️
A lack of social skills ✔️
A complete lack of familiarity of how things work in the real world ✔️

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago

"Never have I been so offended by something I 100% agree with!"

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[–] kn0wmad1c 83 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Translation: GPT-5 will (most likely illegally) be fed academic papers that are currently behind a paywall

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I guess then we would be able to tell it to recite a paper for free and it may do it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Or hallucinate it, did you know that large ammounts of arsenic can cure cancer and the flu?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

I mean, GPT 3.5 consistently quotes my dissertation and conference papers back to me when I ask it anything related to my (extremely niche, but still) research interests. It’s definitely had access to plenty of publications for a while without managing to make any sense of them.

Alternatively, and probably more likely, my papers are incoherent and it’s not GPT’s fault. If 8.0 gets tenure track maybe it will learn to ignore desperate ramblings of PhD students. Once 9.0 gets tenured though I assume it will only reference itself.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 4 months ago

NFTs will keep their value forever...

[–] [email protected] 63 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Will GPT-7 then be a burntout startup founder?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Ah. The synchronicity.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Wow... They want to give AI even more mental illness and crippling imposter syndrome to make it an expert in one niche field?

Sounds like primary school drop-out level thinking to me.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm planning to defend in October and I can say that getting a Ph.D. is potentially the least intelligent thing I've ever done.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It would have to actually have intelligence, period, for it to have PhD level intelligence. These things are not intelligent. They just throw everything at the wall and see what would stick.

[–] sukhmel 10 points 4 months ago

You are correct, but there's a larger problem with intelligence, we don't have a practical definition, and we keep shifting the goalpost. Then there's always a question of a philosophical zombie, if someone acts as a human and has a human body you won't be able to tell apart if they don't really have intelligence, so we only need to put LLM into humanlike body (it's not so, but you get the point)

reminds me of this, although the comic is on a different matter

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-11-25

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago (5 children)

All aboard the hype train! We need to stop using the term "AI" for advanced auto complete. There is not even a shred of intelligence in this. I know many of the people here already know this, but how do we get this message to journalists?! The amount of hype being repeated by respectable journalists is sickening.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

people have been calling literal pathfinding algorithms in video games AI for decades. This is what AI is now and I think it's going to be significantly easier to just accept this and clarify when talking about actual intelligence than trying to fight the already established language.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Too late, the journalists have been replaced by advanced auto completes already.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago

PhD level of intelligence

No it won't. At some point, some AI will, but that point is still far away.

I'm sure it'll know how to string words and sentences together real nice, even to the point where it makes sense. It will still not have a clue what it's talking about, it'll still not understand basic concepts as "understanding" requires a whole lot more than just an advanced ability of pushing words together.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What a bunch of bullshit. I've asked ChatGPT recently to do a morphological analysis of some Native American language's very simple sentences, and it gave absolute nonsense as an answer.

And let's be clear: It was an elementary linguistics task. Something that I did learn to do on my own by just doing a free course online.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

GPT-7 will have full-self-driving.
But that's next year.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You know the Chineese? They talk about this ChatPT 7. But we Americans. My uncle, very smart man. Smartest in every room except on Thanks Giving. I always had Thanks Giving and my Turkey, everyone loved my Turkey. He said we will soon have Chat 8 and the Chineese they know nothing like it.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Now it can not only tell you to eat rocks, but also what type of rock would be best for your digestion.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

A PhD makes a person knowledgeable, not intelligent. And GPT-4 was already extremely knowledgeable.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

So copying everyone else’s work and rehashing it as your own is what makes a PhD level intelligence? (Sarcastic comments about post-grad work forthcoming, I’m sure)

Unless AI is able to come up with original, testable, verifiable, repeatable previously unknown associations, facts, theories, etc. of sufficient complexity it’s not PhD level…using big words doesn’t count either.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Having a PhD doesn’t say you’re intelligent. It says you’re determined & hardworking.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

Eh. Maybe. but don’t discount those phds who were pushed through the process because their advisors were just exhausted by them. i have known too many 10th year students. They weren’t determined or hardworking. They simply couldn’t face up to their shit decisions, bad luck, or intellectual limits.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I like how they have no road map on how to achieve general artificial intelligence (apart from lets train LLMs with a gazillion parameters and the equivalent of yearly energy consumed by ten large countries) but yet pretend chatgpt 4 is only two steps away from it

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (29 children)

Hard to make a roadmap when people can't even agree on what the destination is not how to get there.

But if you have enough data on how humans react to stimulus, and you have a good enough model, then you will be able to train it to behave exactly like a human. The approach is sound even though in practice there prooobably doesn't exist enough usable training data in the world to reach true AGI, but the models are already good enough to be used for certain tasks

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Is it weird that I still want to go for my PhD despite all the feedback about the process? I don’t think I’ve ever met a PhD or candidate that’s enthusiastically said “do it!”

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s a lot of fucking work. If you enjoy hard work, learning about the latest advancements in your field, and can handle disappointment / criticism well, then it’s something to look into.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (5 children)

that and if you can find lab/group with recent publications and funding. not sticking too hard to failed ideas also helps

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No, not weird at all. PhD's are pain, but certain people like the pain. If you're good with handling stress, and also OK with working in a fast-paced, high-impact environment (for real, not business talk BS), then it may be the right decision for you. The biggest thing that I would say is that you should really, really think about whether this is what you want, since once you start a PhD, you've locked the next 6 years of your life into it with no chance of getting out

Edit: Also, you need to have a highly sensitive red-flag radar. As a graduate student, you are highly susceptible to abuse from your professor. There is no recourse for abuse. The only way to avoid abuse is by not picking an abusive professor from the get-go. Which is hard, since professors obviously would never talk badly about themselves. Train that red-flag radar, since you'll need to really read between every word and line to figure out if a professor is right for you

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I generally tell people the only reason to do it is if your career pursuits require it, and even then I warn them away unless they're really sure. Not every research advisor is abusive, but many are. Some without even realizing it. I ended up feeling like nothing more than a tool to pump up my research advisor's publication count.

It was so disillusioning that I completely abandoned my career goal of teaching at a university because I didn't want to go anywhere near that toxic culture again. Nevertheless, I did learn some useful skills that helped me pivot to another career earning pretty good money.

So I guess I'm saying it's a really mixed bag. If you're sure it's what you want, go for it. But changing your mind is always an option.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

no it's not. but you should know what you're getting into.

in the beginning of my PhD i really loved what i was doing. from an intellectually point of view i still do. but later, i.e. after 3 years doing a shitty postdoc, i realized that I was not cut out for academia but nevertheless loved doing science.

however, i was lucky to find a place in industry doing what i like.

so i guess my 2c is: think about what comes after the PhD and work towards that goal. a PhD is usually not a goal in itself. hth

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the only thing this chatbot will be able to simulate is unreasonable persistence

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

The fact that I have a PhD while I knew that I wouldn't use it quickly after I begun, thus loosing years of my life is the proof that I'm dumb as a rock. Fitting for ChatGPT.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Oh... that's the same person (in the image at least) who said "Yeah AI is going to take those creative jobs, but those jobs maybe shouldn't have existed in the first place".

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