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[–] [email protected] 107 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I don't have problems in linux

I am the problem in linux

[–] [email protected] 69 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Linux pros: You have control over everything Linux cons: You have control over everything

[–] muhyb 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's why immutable distros will bring more Linux users in the future.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Are we talking something like NixOS?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (5 children)

NixOS is semi-immutable but not really designed to be user friendly. I think we are more talking about Universal Blue, Fedora SilberBlur, OpenSUSE microOS, VanillaOS and so on.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Tbh I'm pretty new to nixos, but I'm starting to believe if we had that the exact same config (at least without flakes, I'm still having trouble undertanding them) but with a slightly abstracted UI, it would be one of the most user-friendly distros out there.

Like just imagine being able to click "Add program", write the name of a program, having all the options appear below as dropdown menus or on/off switches, then click big blue button "Apply" to rebuild.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Pretty sure that 90% of Linux users don't switch to Windows.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I thought it meant 90% of the ones switching to windows

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

That's what I had in mind

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I still boot to windows every now and then to play games. But each time windows painfully reminds me why I hate it

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Actually more like a self fulfilling prophesy

IMO many will leave Linux just before finding the fix!

I had tried dual boot but kept going back to windows because i knew how to do things there without having to mess with anything

Its only after i removed windows altogether and only ran Mint, that i was forced to seriously look for solutions. Once you do find them though, you dont need to mess around with anything that much any more

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

A suggestion for everyone that's kinda new, and to be honest, grizzled vets too... Use chatgpt as a trouble shooting tool. It's really surprising how good it is sometimes. I've had it write bash scripts in minutes, solve obscure Firefox issues, fix game settings for barely compatible games... So many things

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"When he reached the New World, Cortezh burned hish ships. Ash a reshult hish men were well motivated." —Capt. Ramius, played by Sean Connery in The Hunt for Red October

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 7 months ago

This is true, I wanted to play a game and it looked broken in Linux. When I went back to Windows I discovered that it was a problem with the game. Then I went back to Linux and it ran better than it did in Windows.

Typical Ubisoft experience.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago (13 children)

I mean, if you duel boot, it's just a matter of time until Windows nukes your other OS. At least with me, my Linux was about to solve world peace, but Windows got wind of that and shut it the fuck down.

Meme is correct, they're coming for you.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I almost wanted to correct you and say its dual not duel, but when I think about it windows will fight to be the only bootloader right when you think its finally behaving.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Windows basically never nukes the actual linux install. It DOES like breaking the bootloader though. Which is fixable but still deeply annoying.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ah damn this is exactly what happened a few days ago. My popos boot entry suddenly disappeared. I can still just boot from the physical ssd it's installed on, but I found it strange it just pooped out somehow. Any pointers on how to fix it?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Here's an article on how to fix it.

TLDR: You need to boot from a live disk, mount your install and reinstall the bootloader.

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[–] msage 6 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Reminded me how Windows would set the hardware clock to different timezone that Linux uses, can't remember which.

It would make my blood boil, that's when I decided to never boot it again. 100% Linux everywhere, I get it on routers when I can.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If you really want to run Linux : Distro hop

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If you are not happy, then try a few more distros.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, that's what I i did, first tried Nobara, I liked it but encountered some issues, tried to fix them but I realized I spent too much time and there's no clear fix, so I hoped on Fedora and everything works nicely, exept for the Multimedia drivers which I'm still trying to fix...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Seriously, how can a huge distro like Fedora still be so horribly user-unfriendly when it comes to basic things like multimedia playback.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

It's the stupid US patent law, and they don't wanna deal with any "legal" issues,, showing you how to install those drivers is how far they can go.. But this is Exactly why these drivers are broken, they're not well integrated and not tested by Fedora devs..

That's why Distros like Ultramarine promise you a working Fedora experience OOTB, because they're not US based and such laws don't apply to their software..

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[–] onlinepersona 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lol, putting the worst documented distro on the planet on the table is interesting. The majority of people new to linux would switch back to windows within minutes if they had to install and use nixOS.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

NixOS isn't bad but your right it could be explained better.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Every child should be introduced to linux. Will help them understand better they don't need to be treated as products and certainly make them more computer literate, and hopefully more security conscious.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

But to be honest, not every child is technologically-inclined. Most are just gonna get annoyed and hate it. This is not a good idea.

I'd have loved it as a child though

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Dude he said “introduced”, not forced to learn it well enough to duel Torvalds on the mailing lists.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (15 children)

Something like Linux Mint is very easy to use and doesn't require much maintenance. You don't need to reformat every year or two either when Windows inevitably shits itself.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

Me delaying the fix to my Linux problems by never switching back to Windows

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Arch is cool and all but fixing all the issues every other time you update is a full time job. I can never rely on my system for shit. Sometimes there's actually a wiki page for the issue but in my experience it's usually bugs almost no one else has which means I'm on my own. If you're smart enough for that cool but I've dedicated most of my life to only using Linux and I'm still nowhere close to being able to use Arch without spending too much time troubleshooting issues. I think I'd rather deal with Debian repositories being so out of date half my shit is broken because that way at least I only have to fix it once every year or two instead of every goddamn week.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Arch is not meant to be a daily driver if you're expecting "shit just works" stability long term when you just blindly run updates. You have to understand what you're updating and sometimes why.

It is targeted at the proficient GNU/Linux user, or anyone with a do-it-yourself attitude who is willing to read the documentation, and solve their own problems.

If you want to use Arch, you need to invest in snapshots using rsync or dd. Given how it's a rolling release, you should do this weekly. If something fucks up, grab all your logs and put them somewhere safe. Roll back and look at your logs to see what broke. Then apply updates as needed. You can ignore packages for quite a while. If you're not smart enough to understand it now, you may in the future. It takes time and practice.

Debian based is only "out of date" feature wise because they do a package freeze. They ensure stability before release. Updates are largely security related.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I've been using nothing but Linux for 5 years and I still have problems every now and then.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (4 children)

But the same can be said with windows. My life long windows user friend occasionally (a few times a year) reaches out about some significant issues they are experiencing with windows on their modern desktop.

I truly wouldn't recommend Linux for a fairly tech illiterate person like him, but really Linux is better in every category that matters to me.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

You can usually find the solution to Linux problems on the forum for your distro.

With windows problems, the answer is usually "nothing can be done unless microsoft actually decides to fix it". That's after digging through 10 or more pages of search results filled with AI generated crap.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I actually switched back to Windows a few weeks ago because I was so tired of all the NVIDIA problems I had on Wayland. A few days later I read that explicit sync finally got merged, lol.

I'm definitely planning on switching back to Linux, but I'm not sure if I'll do it before getting a new AMD GPU.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

“Fact: 95% of Linux users switched back to Windows95 right before all their problems are about to be fixed” A.D. 1999

  • Seriously though a few years ago Microsoft launched their own Linux distributions. You'd think it would be smooth sailing now, no ?
[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That is why dual boot is based.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Only dual boot two Linux partitions. Dual booting windows is a waste of disk space, and liable to fuck with your bootloader every update.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

~~Dual booting~~ windows is a waste of disk space

There, fixed that for you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (21 children)

Ok so I am probably gonna curse in the Linux church but please enlighten me

I have one laptop with windows 10 for the simple stuff: internet, movie, ms office. It functions perfectly. Yes it needs a reboot sometimes. I don't understand what people are saying about how terrible ms in regard for easy users.

I mean I get it that it probably using my data, which would be actually enough to change.

However: all these post about how easy it is to fix stuff in Linux (and thus saying it is not working properly)... Keeps me in ms.

What are you guys doing that needs so much tinkering that needs to be fixed constantly?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

me?

okay so sometimes you need to run a twenty year old game made for another OS or cpu architecture

which.. weirdly, easier in Linux than win7; Linux has better backward compatibility with windows than windows. was like three clicks to install.

but sometimes that game uses broadcast UDP packets for LAN multiplayer.

and this is where our problem comes from, because broadcast UDP packets are deprecated, and also most modern routers don't love them, I don't think.

so, I needed to find a way to manually readdress outgoing UDP packets from broadcast to a specific set of multicast addresses, which...

also, some issues running USB as serial for some exotic peripherals. and by 'exotic' I mean 'I don't know for sure the PC is the problem; I might have soldered this wrong'.

also some issues in qubes, but that's literally all virtualization, and not a distro for anyone who hasn't both been using Linux for a while and considered the cost of making their apartment a Faraday cage.

a few issues with bare arch, which is the 'do everything from scratch 0 automation bleeding edge tech nerd, no, seriously you need to manually download a file system' distro. don't use arch if you don't know what youre doing.

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