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Slack by default using messages, files etc for building and training LLM models (mastodon.social)

submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://infosec.pub/post/12406642

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Absolutely unbelievable but here we are. #Slack by default using messages, files etc for building and training #LLM models, enabled by default and opting out requires a manual email from the workspace owner.

https://slack.com/intl/en-gb/trust/data-management/privacy-principles

What a time to be alive in IT. 🤦‍♂️

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What does this mean regarding their claims that data is encrypted at rest and in transit? https://slack.com/resources/why-use-slack/slacks-enterprise-security-features

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago

‘at rest’ → we're using filesystem encryption
‘in transit’ → we're using TLS

neither is end-to-end encryption, the data is not private to the service provider.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

That's just a fancy way of saying they use tls, like the rest of the world.

They decrypt it once it hits their servers and do whatever they want with it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

ah ok, so if it's not at rest and it's not in transit, what else is it?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

vibing

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

In their database lol. I'm sure whatever file storage they use is encrypted but doesn't matter when you have the keys and can view all the data unencrypted.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

is it that easy to sell this shit to the average CTO?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Unfortunately corporate security is a joke in many aspects.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

there is a type of leader out there that takes gartner magic quadrants seriously and makes decisions from that information

and they're not rare.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I've done UX on a few B2B SaaS things and the U meant CTO in most (sanctioned) cases

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

As long as you can check the boxes to an auditor.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

you see, your data can never be at rest if they’re constantly using it to train LLM models and exploiting it for other marketing purposes

…god this is stupid enough that I’m very sure I’m going to hear it in earnest from some AI shithead next time one of our threads hits all

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

at rest, in transit, in plunder

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

…in perpetual motion

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

they use it for their matrix screensavers

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

out jogging: that's you keep data fit. gotta keep it moving. unfit data quickly starts falling into bitrot. that's what you get by buying a slack subscription - crosstrainers for your data!

trade secret tho, don't tell anyone