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Looks like Arrowhead might be moving forward with PSN despite "internal discussions".

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[–] [email protected] 155 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The accounts are so important that you're willing to lose sales in that many countries?!

[–] [email protected] 108 points 6 months ago (5 children)

While 177 countries sounds like a lot, it's not where the majority of players are. PSN operates in the top 15 countries by GDP and the top 4 by population.

Of course there's still the question of why they work in so few countries when literally none of their competitors (that I know of) have those limitations.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It's because it's a Japanese company. I'm not saying this out of racism but because they're known for being archaic in how they do certain things. Like game modding and work schedules. Their public transit is top fucking notch though.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

I think the mistake was ever thinking that one company is "good" while the other is "bad". Companies are just different flavors of bad once they grow above a size of, well, once they are companies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Only because we didn't know better when we were kids.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Their public transit is top fucking notch though.

I've been to Japan a few times. Only Tokyo is super accurate with time. Go to any other Japanese city and it's no different from any other city in the world. Late trains. Buses that are 10 mins late or not even showing.

Can we kill this narrative that Japan is hyper efficient with public transportation?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I thought you were being racist until you said that thing about public transit, so we're good 👍

EDIT: I was making a dumb joke, y'all. I thought OP did not need to worry about sounding racist at all so I was trying ricochet off of that. Sorry, pretty clearly did not land right, I apologize.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That wasn't in response to my racist comment but in response to the archaic comment. They're as much archaic in procedure and bureaucracy as they are advanced in tech.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago (1 children)

some huge countries on that list, philippines, pakistan, nigeria, egypt

pretty embarassing

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia too. Not exactly developing countries.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

They are also EU countries. I am not even sure it's perfectly legal to sell stuff in the EU and not sell to residents of specific countries.

No harm no foul until somebody makes a report I guess.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is accurate. I work at a international company. We will tell a bunch of countries to go fuck themselves since combined, they make like 1% of sales.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying it's a thing many companies do.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

I have knowledge on mobile gaming, they do this too.

It doesn’t pay to manage some shitty off brand Android phone’s compatibility issues when your whole country spends less in a month than a half dozen midwestern moms in an evening on the game.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't doubt what you're saying, but you have to admit that this is terrible PR for them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

If the past thirty years of Sony history has anything to say... I'm sure they're doing this right now:

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

PSN (PlayStation Network) is available in 73 countries.

It was PSNow (PlayStation Now, their game steaming service) that was only in 19 countries. PSNow was merged into PlayStation Plus as the Premium level package, and is in 30 or so countries.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Strange then that they are now only listed in 18 countries.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That is definitely strange, but might be an overreaction by Valve and not done by Arrowhead.

Edit: Seems it was indeed done by Valve.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Strange then that they are now only listed in 18 countries.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, the game wasn't supposed to be sold in those countries to begin with. Sony and Valve screwed up the region settings.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 6 months ago (2 children)

But it was, so who is going to take responsibility for it? Is Sony going to back down from the requirement? Is Valve going to refund all those users?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Honestly, I think Sony is going to be more stubborn than Valve. I saw in another thread where some people were getting approved for their Steam refunds even after passing the 2-hour refund window, so it looks like Valve may already be the first to cave.

Sony's probably going to continue digging their heels in, though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Can confirm, saw one approved refund with 97 hours on the clock.

[–] NekkoDroid 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Sometimes (almost always) I wish that the refunded money wouldn't come out of Steams/Valves pocket...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

From what I've heard Valve is already refunding most everyone who asks for a refund given this controversy.