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The US is supporting Israel through what we can mostly all agree is a genocide of the Gazans. Clearly, Biden isn't a genocidal maniac, yet he's all in with unwavering support. Why are we doing this? There has to be a logical reason that isn't just "we want Israel to kill everyone in Gaza and take their land a la lebensraum."

We know this is an emotional topic, so please be respectful of each other so that we can have open and clear authentic discussion on the matter.

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[–] [email protected] 193 points 10 months ago (5 children)

This alliance allows the US to maintain a stronger foothold in the Middle East and exert hegemonic power via proxy.

This isn't the only reason, of course, but it's part of it.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago (3 children)

And the US wants a foothold in the middle east because oil.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago

Well, that and keeping ~~the USSR~~ Russia and China out

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think the US isn't interested in the oil opportunities in the Middle East, but I think the US wants a foothold everywhere and anywhere across the globe to maintain its position as a global superpower.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, the US wants that foothold because of oil. It's not because we wish to become rich off it, it's because oil is essential to keeping our economy stable. Keeping the region stable, or at least "stable" in America's best interests, is paramount.

Doesn't matter what anyone's opinion on our oil consumption is, even in the face of global warming. At this point in time, we need it.

Without oil our economy plummets and that affects the whole world. And we can't fix it anytime soon. I'm seeing hope, but it's painfully slow. FFS, trying to fix this mess bucks the richest interests on the planet. And if we guillotined every one of them, we'd still be in the same place.

I see a lot of talk around here calling talk of the "economy" bullshit, like those numbers only affect the rich, and fuck 'em. Like it or not, we all participate in the economy.

In turn, we're all hurt if it crashes. And that includes the rest of the world. Anyone here old enough to remember the gas station lines after the Iranian revolution?

And spare me talk of coulda/shoula/woulda. America could have done a dozen things better to avoid all this. We didn't. And here we are.

[–] msage 2 points 10 months ago

In case you didn't notice, many people are in the middle of the crash right now. So yeah, it's going to suck for everyone, but what are the alternatives?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Read a lot of answers and yours is succinct.

Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security.

~ Alexander Haig

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

+Palestinians are not as white and a religious minority on top of it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

That and Israel wouldn't hesitate a second before switching sides and allying with Russia and/or China.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It also allows Israel and other relugional institutions to influence US politics.

Who is the hegemon, the vassal or the collector?