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COVID-19 mortality rate five times higher among labor, retail and service workers, study reveals
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Please stop posting that imgur album of
nonsense.
make me
fair enough carry on
Until the secretive authoritarian US government opens up fort detrick and allows a full investigation we will never know the truth. What are they hiding?
I can't access the image, but it is kind of funny that the US funded gain-of-function experiments we were doing with coronaviruses (or at least experiments very similar to gain of function), were taking place in North Carolina. They collaborated with the Wuhan institute because that's who you would collaborate with if you wanted to research SARS. Right wingers bang on about this issue because they can do the "China bad" thing, but the research they are blaming for creating covid would have been done in North Carolina.
The conclusion, of course, is that since the outbreak didn't start in North Carolina, obviously this research wasn't responsible for covid.
But if Covid did start in the US, how quickly does anyone think we would have detected it? It would have just been a mystery cold from hell until it got into a long term care home. It was in China for a month or two before they detected it, and unlike the US, they were actively monitoring for SARS.
So were there any mysteriously deadly pneumonia outbreaks occuring in North Carolina in late 2019? Yes. Yes there were. In at least a couple of long term care homes. We never investigated any of those outbreaks to see if there was SARS present... because why bother? It started in China.
Americans want to blame China for COVID but if something similar starts up, say, in the deplorable conditions of a factory pig farm in Arkansas, practically every non-vegan American would become incredibly indignant over accepting any blame.
It would be more like if China was running a pig operation at an American farm, and then a pandemic hit, and everyone blamed America lol
I managed to find it in their history, here it is: https://imgur.com/a/CRwan3n
According to him the outbreak did start in the US, but it was less contagious at the start. Hence the outbreaks in Virginia retirement homes and throughout US schools and in vapers, but not having mass-population contagion yet
The "mysterious" US outbreaks start from June 2019 into November 2019, well before the official date of the Chinese outbreak.
There was also that weird Spanish sewer sample from May 2019? or March 2019 I forget. But that one could maybe be a freak/unrelated
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The exposure is next level. Schools, daycares, healthcare settings too, clearly jobs where there are a lot of women as well. Pretty sure the response would look different if more tech bros were dying or getting longcovid from this. Sadly we might be getting there though.
And public health messaging has truly been motivated by the capitalists on this.
We currently have the tail-end covid and we had an electrician come over yesterday and my partner told him that we are likely still not good to be around. The guy replied with "Yes, but I am vaccinated 4 times". My partner replied with "I am 5 times and still have been sick for almost two weeks now, would you like a mask?". He was happy to take the mask.
It was still risky for him, but they are sent to these apartments by the landlords who employ them and nobody cares to protect the workers.
Biggest issue is that these workers clearly trust public health enough that they really think they are protected now. What will this do to that trust, why is anyone surprised that anti-vax sentiments are on the rise? It's a symptom of this.
I know a lot about long-COVID, and roughly 80% of LC sufferers on reddit are white (which is parity for reddit, being 80% white as a whole)
Latinos were overrepresented at something like 10% while being only 3% of reddit as a whole
I think a lot of people are developing long-covid symptoms which are "mild" enough that we don't hear about them
The biggest elephant in the room on Hexbear is that every single thing the vaccine was supposed to do was gradually walked back step by step until it's now AT BEST a slight band-aid that doesn't even stay on properly.
for this last line)
The vaccine is almost useless, the illness is a bioweapon and radical 1960s style hardcore hippie organizing is the only way to even stand a chance at eradicating it (I was banned from
The vaccine does significantly reduce the risk of a slow and painful death to Lungs Broken.
You're kind of running a survivorship and confirmation bias there, though. Vaccines aren't instantly effective, so if someone dies shortly after getting vaccinated, that's not proof the vaccine didn't work. And of course someone isn't going to say the vaccine didn't prevent their death if they died, and they wouldn't say it prevented their death regardless because they still got sick. We've known for years the vaccines don't stop sickness, they just reduce the lethality of infection.
how? don't they mostly work from home?
The push for return to office. At least here I am hearing about more and more sick tech workers, the whole "our entire office is sick"-thing. Not everyone will come out of that ok.
Statistically the push for in person stuff will raise their exposure too. They are working class, and can lose their protection on a whim, many have already lost it.
The amount of finance shenanigans the capitalist class has going on around in the use of these office buildings and other in-person infra is huge. And we spend a lot more when we have to leave our homes. Travel, eating out, clothing. They want the high earners out there, consuming and getting sick.
But doesn’t that manifest as a higher probability of getting it? Or do they end up getting like, mini-Covid?
So it IS basically mini-Covid. Wild
My understanding is that the spike protein can bind to pretty much every cell in our body, and our immune system will react to it, which is how the vaccines work. The danger would come from the constant triggering of the immune system when exposed to the spike protein, but if it's not attached to a virus it won't replicate in our body, and that limits the damage it can do.
Our t-cells destroy infected cells so a controlled dose in the form of a vaccine is quite a bit safer than the live virus, but if it attaches to a vital organ it can still cause damage depending on how nuts our bodies immune response is. If there is any spike protein shedding from people through breath it would likely be a limited amount and our bodies shouldn't have a problem clearing it because it won't reproduce and won't be putting out chemical signals that allow it to avoid an immune response while actively reproducing 1000x like covid does. The amount of damage covid does seems to be dependent on how much you are exposed to, and the less virus you get exposed to the better.
When it's attached to the actual SARS virus it can do a ton of other shit like turn your cells into a covid factory, infect T-Cells and get in bone marrow and crazy ass shit like that. It's getting into places our body has a hard time clearing and staying there. People infected might never clear the virus at this point, and it could be like chickenpox, EBV, or herpes and likely has a chance to come back whenever the immune system is stressed. Any abnormal levels of spike protein is likely due to a persistant infection. They are finding traces of them in the organs of people who died several months or years after getting infected.
People researching the virus mutations believe a lot of them come from people who never clear the virus and whatever mutations the variant they harbor is combining with the dominant variant in circulation, and viola a new world dominating virus is born.
The Cuban vaccines, which seem to be extremely successful, target an RBD receptor instead of the spike protein. It would be interesting to see how the cuban population compares to the US when it come to long covid and these types of symptoms.
agreed, but one possible gripe is that the Western vaccines are not a controlled dose of spike protein, but rather an instruction book on how to make spike protein for your body's cells. It kinda feels like it could be giving a monkey an AK-47, there's just so many more steps/variables there than with a normal vaccine
That's probably a source but I doubt it's the main one. Since the vaccines don't prevent infection, every vaccinated person is still a walking covid recombination reservoir in 2024. The impact of people who "can't clear" the virus feels insignificant, numerically.
I also think that covid symptoms have little to do with covid infection, and much more to do with spike sensitivity of the individual. There are lots of people, even pre-vaccine, who just don't feel anything from covid. Then there are people who have a bad month if they go outside in public even for a minute.
There was a girl back in 2020, who was COVID positive for over a month. She was pretty fine symptom-wise
True. But spike protein is 1000x smaller than the virus. Whatever your mask is doing for blocking the virus, it's much more useless when it comes to airborne spike.
Unfortunately, from the researchers I'm following, It's actually looking like viral persistance quite common. Maybe it's why virus levels in wastewater always remain high?
Evidence is stacking up that after the acute period symptoms are probably from immune dysregulation. Basically covid causes our immune system to keep attacking our body long after the acute infection, causing inflammation and long covid systems, and it's more evidence pointing to a persistant viral reservoir in the body.
Blood tests can show which antibodies we have and the ones produced after vaccination are distinct from the one created after infection from the virus. If it was just the spike protein alone causing problems we could determine that with a blood test. But none of the sources I follow have shown any research on this.
Oh okay my bad. I accidentally assumed that in this quote:
I assumed that here you were referring to immunocompromised people who don't clear virus from their respiratory tract. I was basically saying that's irrelevant because the fraction of truly immunocompromised people is so low.
I didn't know you were talking about clearing the virus from the body PERIOD (because literally nobody talks about this, because the only tests ever used are nasal swabs)
This is something I actually predicted in 2021: that everyone harbors covid inside their body.
I was able to predict this from reading an article about deer: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/11/10/1054224204/how-sars-cov-2-in-american-deer-could-alter-the-course-of-the-global-pandemic
In this article, they state that the positivity rate in deer is like 80%, even though the rate in humans was only 2%
They also UNWITTINGLY mention that they used lymph tissue to diagnose the deer.
When I was reading this years ago the gears clicked and I knew that basically everyone harbored COVID inside their body tissues (lymph kidneys intestines) for months on end, and that the ridiculously low persistence rate was fake because the only testing route was nasal/throat swabs.
Of course, completely agreed
Yup. BTW I've done this experiment already and it's possible to totally cure long-COVID. It's just incredibly impractical bc you have to avoid breathing in more COVID for a year. Which means you have to work from home, or not work at all, and not go into stores or public places. (I'm privileged enough to have been able to do this, and I was able to cure my LC for one year straight)
I dont know too much about this, but I know many people who were getting positive antibody tests back in 2020 (pre-vax) after infection. AFAIK it's the same type of antibody, the anti-spike antibody. SOME people will produce nucleocapsid antibodies instead, is that what you're referring to?
How would you be able to do that? Do you mean by testing blood for spike and COVID? The reason I think the spike protein is the major reason for covid's harm, is because of the user-generated vaccine data I've seen in LC surveys on the longCOVID reddit (which was extremely pro-vaccine back in 2021, it might still be that way now) Tons of people reported worsening of symptoms or relapsing in symptoms from the vaccine. Since the vaccine contains no COVID, but does contain (instructions to generate) spike protein, this proves that a large % of people derive their symptoms mainly from spike protein. Some reported bettering too after the vaccine, and all in all it was a wash.
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