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COVID-19 mortality rate five times higher among labor, retail and service workers, study reveals (www.sciencedaily.com)

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68% of COVID-19 deaths during the first year of the pandemic were adults in low socioeconomic positions

University of South Florida epidemiologist Jason Salemi's research confirmed associations between COVID-19 mortality rates and socioeconomic position, gender, ethnicity and race.

Salemi's research shows:

The mortality rate of low SEP adults is five times higher when compared to high SEP adults, and the mortality rate of intermediate SEP adults is two times higher.

White women make up the largest population group considered high SEP. In contrast, nearly 60 percent of Hispanic men are in a low SEP.

When compared, the mortality rate of low SEP Hispanic men is 27 times higher than high SEP white women.

"The degree to which it takes a toll on communities is very unevenly distributed and we wanted to call attention to that issue," Salemi said.

Reminder that crackers started storming state capitols demanding lockdowns end about a week after news reported covid was harming black people at far greater rates than anyone else.

The "return to normal" was driven by complete disregard to the lives of low wage workers and outright racism.

But I'm sure things are great now that the "pandemic is over". Genocide Joe and the party of science wouldn't lie to you. Capitalism wouldn't just sacrifice workers like that, right?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's NOT a probability thing of "they're more exposed so they're more likely to get it". It's rather "they're more exposed so they're breathing in 1000x more spike protein/virus, and 1000 is a bigger number than 1"

But doesn’t that manifest as a higher probability of getting it? Or do they end up getting like, mini-Covid?

[+] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So it IS basically mini-Covid. Wild

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My understanding is that the spike protein can bind to pretty much every cell in our body, and our immune system will react to it, which is how the vaccines work. The danger would come from the constant triggering of the immune system when exposed to the spike protein, but if it's not attached to a virus it won't replicate in our body, and that limits the damage it can do.

Our t-cells destroy infected cells so a controlled dose in the form of a vaccine is quite a bit safer than the live virus, but if it attaches to a vital organ it can still cause damage depending on how nuts our bodies immune response is. If there is any spike protein shedding from people through breath it would likely be a limited amount and our bodies shouldn't have a problem clearing it because it won't reproduce and won't be putting out chemical signals that allow it to avoid an immune response while actively reproducing 1000x like covid does. The amount of damage covid does seems to be dependent on how much you are exposed to, and the less virus you get exposed to the better.

When it's attached to the actual SARS virus it can do a ton of other shit like turn your cells into a covid factory, infect T-Cells and get in bone marrow and crazy ass shit like that. It's getting into places our body has a hard time clearing and staying there. People infected might never clear the virus at this point, and it could be like chickenpox, EBV, or herpes and likely has a chance to come back whenever the immune system is stressed. Any abnormal levels of spike protein is likely due to a persistant infection. They are finding traces of them in the organs of people who died several months or years after getting infected.

People researching the virus mutations believe a lot of them come from people who never clear the virus and whatever mutations the variant they harbor is combining with the dominant variant in circulation, and viola a new world dominating virus is born.

The Cuban vaccines, which seem to be extremely successful, target an RBD receptor instead of the spike protein. It would be interesting to see how the cuban population compares to the US when it come to long covid and these types of symptoms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Our t-cells destroy infected cells so a controlled dose in the form of a vaccine is quite a bit safer than the live virus

agreed, but one possible gripe is that the Western vaccines are not a controlled dose of spike protein, but rather an instruction book on how to make spike protein for your body's cells. It kinda feels like it could be giving a monkey an AK-47, there's just so many more steps/variables there than with a normal vaccine

People researching the virus mutations believe a lot of them come from people who never clear the virus and whatever mutations the variant they harbor is combining with the dominant variant in circulation, and viola a new world dominating virus is born.

That's probably a source but I doubt it's the main one. Since the vaccines don't prevent infection, every vaccinated person is still a walking covid recombination reservoir in 2024. The impact of people who "can't clear" the virus feels insignificant, numerically.

I also think that covid symptoms have little to do with covid infection, and much more to do with spike sensitivity of the individual. There are lots of people, even pre-vaccine, who just don't feel anything from covid. Then there are people who have a bad month if they go outside in public even for a minute.

There was a girl back in 2020, who was COVID positive for over a month. She was pretty fine symptom-wise

If there is any spike protein shedding from people through breath it would likely be a limited amount and our bodies shouldn't have a problem clearing it because it won't reproduce and won't be putting out chemical signals that allow it to avoid an immune response while actively reproducing 1000x like covid does.

True. But spike protein is 1000x smaller than the virus. Whatever your mask is doing for blocking the virus, it's much more useless when it comes to airborne spike.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's probably a source but I doubt it's the main one. Since the vaccines don't prevent infection, every vaccinated person is still a walking covid recombination reservoir in 2024. The impact of people who "can't clear" the virus feels insignificant, numerically.

Unfortunately, from the researchers I'm following, It's actually looking like viral persistance quite common. Maybe it's why virus levels in wastewater always remain high?

I also think that covid symptoms have little to do with covid infection, and much more to do with spike sensitivity of the individual. There are lots of people, even pre-vaccine, who just don't feel anything from covid. Then there are people who have a bad month if they go outside in public even for a minute.

Evidence is stacking up that after the acute period symptoms are probably from immune dysregulation. Basically covid causes our immune system to keep attacking our body long after the acute infection, causing inflammation and long covid systems, and it's more evidence pointing to a persistant viral reservoir in the body.

Blood tests can show which antibodies we have and the ones produced after vaccination are distinct from the one created after infection from the virus. If it was just the spike protein alone causing problems we could determine that with a blood test. But none of the sources I follow have shown any research on this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Unfortunately, from the researchers I'm following, It's actually looking like viral persistance quite common. Maybe it's why virus levels in wastewater always remain high?

Oh okay my bad. I accidentally assumed that in this quote:

People researching the virus mutations believe a lot of them come from people who never clear the virus

I assumed that here you were referring to immunocompromised people who don't clear virus from their respiratory tract. I was basically saying that's irrelevant because the fraction of truly immunocompromised people is so low.

I didn't know you were talking about clearing the virus from the body PERIOD (because literally nobody talks about this, because the only tests ever used are nasal swabs)

This is something I actually predicted in 2021: that everyone harbors covid inside their body.
I was able to predict this from reading an article about deer: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/11/10/1054224204/how-sars-cov-2-in-american-deer-could-alter-the-course-of-the-global-pandemic
In this article, they state that the positivity rate in deer is like 80%, even though the rate in humans was only 2%
They also UNWITTINGLY mention that they used lymph tissue to diagnose the deer.

When I was reading this years ago the gears clicked and I knew that basically everyone harbored COVID inside their body tissues (lymph kidneys intestines) for months on end, and that the ridiculously low persistence rate was fake because the only testing route was nasal/throat swabs.

and it's more evidence pointing to a persistant viral reservoir in the body.

Of course, completely agreed

Evidence is stacking up that after the acute period symptoms are probably from immune dysregulation. Basically covid causes our immune system to keep attacking our body long after the acute infection, causing inflammation and long covid systems, and it's more evidence pointing to a persistant viral reservoir in the body.

Yup. BTW I've done this experiment already and it's possible to totally cure long-COVID. It's just incredibly impractical bc you have to avoid breathing in more COVID for a year. Which means you have to work from home, or not work at all, and not go into stores or public places. (I'm privileged enough to have been able to do this, and I was able to cure my LC for one year straight)

Blood tests can show which antibodies we have and the ones produced after vaccination are distinct from the one created after infection from the virus

I dont know too much about this, but I know many people who were getting positive antibody tests back in 2020 (pre-vax) after infection. AFAIK it's the same type of antibody, the anti-spike antibody. SOME people will produce nucleocapsid antibodies instead, is that what you're referring to?

If it was just the spike protein alone causing problems we could determine that with a blood test. But none of the sources I follow have shown any research on this.

How would you be able to do that? Do you mean by testing blood for spike and COVID? The reason I think the spike protein is the major reason for covid's harm, is because of the user-generated vaccine data I've seen in LC surveys on the longCOVID reddit (which was extremely pro-vaccine back in 2021, it might still be that way now) Tons of people reported worsening of symptoms or relapsing in symptoms from the vaccine. Since the vaccine contains no COVID, but does contain (instructions to generate) spike protein, this proves that a large % of people derive their symptoms mainly from spike protein. Some reported bettering too after the vaccine, and all in all it was a wash.