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Recently, the Prav app was released in F-droid. In this application, registration is by phone number.

What do you think about this?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@u_tamtam @Slow Also we have been working on Prav for over 2 years already gathering members required to register a coop in India. We need 50 members from two states to register a multi state cooperative and we are very close to that number. We are in process of finalizing bye-laws and will be registering soon. At Prav, we are happy if new people learn about Quicksy and XMPP through us even if they don't join Prav.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Praveen - u_tamtam mentioned what I have been thinking about Prav - what's the rationale for it to exist and why should I choose it over the original?

/Of course, I appreciate the work you and the other volunteers are doing to spread the awareness of XMPP, Privacy, and Security (in India).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

@Deus another Prav volunteer here. If you need to ask about choosing it over the original, you're probably better off with the original 😅

The personal motivation behind Prav was similar to Quicksy: to get friends onto XMPP when they're too impatient to learn how it all works :xmpp:

We realised it helps to be running the service ourselves, and to be able to modify the app as our users request (which can of course be propagated upstream if there is interest) 🛠️

🧵 1/3

@Slow @u_tamtam @praveen

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Deus I guess you'd use Prav if:

🇮🇳 you are based in India

🗳️ you want to be part of our cooperative society and make decisions on what happens next (even if you're not a developer)

💰 you want to support the development and running costs, but, more importantly, the publicity we're doing in India (if we have leftovers, we plan to donate them upstream)

:xmpp: and/or, you just want to talk to your friend with this new "XMPP" thing they're going on about

🧵 2/3

@Slow @u_tamtam @praveen

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@Deus but when people are more deeply interested, or if they aren't based in India, we do direct them to other projects like Cheogram, Snikket, and of course Quicksy and Conversations itself! ↗️

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@Slow @u_tamtam @praveen

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@Deus @Slow @u_tamtam I think one crucial thing missing in these comments is, "Not everyone wants to or have to make the same choices about an app or service to be talk to each other." A federated system allows everyone to make different choices without losing the ability to talk to each other. So the real answer is, if you are not convinced by Prav, you don't have to use it and you are not forced to use Prav just because all your friends are already using Prav. #XMPP #Federation #Choice

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Deus @Slow @u_tamtam If you already know/use/happy with original, please continue using the same. Even if you are laerning about it and still find it better than Prav, please use them too. We are just offering one more #XMPP service with some differences which some users might find better. The service run as a cooperative might be attractive to some users because the priorities are set by a group of people in a democratic way giving people an option to participate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@Deus @Slow @u_tamtam Another thing going for us is, anyone who personally knows any of the Prav members, there is a direct personal trust. We can also more confidently pitch Prav to our family and friends since we have a direct involvement in how Prav is operated and how privacy policy is made in Prav. This could potentially motivate more people to try Prav, instead of suggesting them to install some random app.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let ask few questions:

Will the app UI change?

Is there anything you can do to prevent the "This app tracks and reports your activity" warning in F-droid?

And the question related to the SMS processing center. Is the service located in India?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@Slow

  1. We already include some patches from cheogram to support message moderation and we are waiting for conversations v3 redesign (we hope to include that too). We are planning some more changes like allowing custom username instead of phone number.
  2. @aryak says that will be soon changed to tethered to a single service warning.
  3. Currently we are using twilio, which is not based in India and we are considering options based in India (which is cheaper).