@Deus @Slow @u_tamtam I think one crucial thing missing in these comments is, "Not everyone wants to or have to make the same choices about an app or service to be talk to each other." A federated system allows everyone to make different choices without losing the ability to talk to each other. So the real answer is, if you are not convinced by Prav, you don't have to use it and you are not forced to use Prav just because all your friends are already using Prav. #XMPP #Federation #Choice
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@Deus @Slow @u_tamtam Another thing going for us is, anyone who personally knows any of the Prav members, there is a direct personal trust. We can also more confidently pitch Prav to our family and friends since we have a direct involvement in how Prav is operated and how privacy policy is made in Prav. This could potentially motivate more people to try Prav, instead of suggesting them to install some random app.
@Deus @Slow @u_tamtam If you already know/use/happy with original, please continue using the same. Even if you are laerning about it and still find it better than Prav, please use them too. We are just offering one more #XMPP service with some differences which some users might find better. The service run as a cooperative might be attractive to some users because the priorities are set by a group of people in a democratic way giving people an option to participate.
- We already include some patches from cheogram to support message moderation and we are waiting for conversations v3 redesign (we hope to include that too). We are planning some more changes like allowing custom username instead of phone number.
- @aryak says that will be soon changed to tethered to a single service warning.
- Currently we are using twilio, which is not based in India and we are considering options based in India (which is cheaper).
@u_tamtam @Slow Also we have been working on Prav for over 2 years already gathering members required to register a coop in India. We need 50 members from two states to register a multi state cooperative and we are very close to that number. We are in process of finalizing bye-laws and will be registering soon. At Prav, we are happy if new people learn about Quicksy and XMPP through us even if they don't join Prav.
@u_tamtam @Slow I'm part of Prav team and I have been promoting XMPP and #FreeSoftware for many years. I'm a long time Debian Developer and maintains gitlab in Debian. I'm part of the community maintaining many services to public including XMPP services at diasp.in and poddery.com Prav is just trying a different approach to running an XMPP service. Both poddery.com and diasp.in is fully volunteer driven and we are finding it difficult to get new volunteers.
@u_tamtam the challenge is about setting the limits - how deep should be go when we explain? Do we assume people already know #XMPP and focus on what is different? Or do we assume people have only seen WhatsApp (may be Telegram and Signal too?). I think our focus being on people who have never heard of XMPP, I think the current choices makes sense. But still we can consider giving clues or tips for people who already know XMPP to find the differences.