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Kotlin has a major benefactor in Jetbrains, buy they are also a major gate keeper with no interest in adding support for anything but IntelliJ. Quite to the contrary, they are actively blocking extensions to their compiler API that would improve development of open language servers.
If you want to develop in Kotlin, you should really just stick with IntelliJ. Or make your peace with not having the greatest language support in your editor.
Honestly, because of the whole situation, I've started considering Kotlin as a proprietary product by now.
Not to upset anybody, but after I installed the JetBrains toolbox some months ago, I started having an idea about where their business model is going to. We should be ready to subscribe and pay for the IDEs we use. And considering the amazing work they are doing to maintain the whole ecosystem, it's worth it. But then I expect customer care for when Gradle builds are broken ๐คฃ
I don't have a problem with people paying for the tools they use. I also "pay" for Neovim in the senst that I donate regularly to the project. My grievance is with the way Jetbrains markets Kotlin as "Open Source" with an "Open Community" when in reality they are blocking access to anyone trying to make it work more smoothly with tools that are not Jetbrains endorsed. That, in my opinion, is openwashing as we have seen for decades from companies trying to act in bad faith, like Microsoft or VMWare.
I mean that has been their business model for some time now, just like with most other software nowadays. But unlike most other software their prices are extremely reasonable; when you buy it consecutively for years you get progressive discounts. I actually *need * only one editor but I pay for them all because the cost of the full package is just slightly higher and their IDEs are amazing. A few times a year I use one of the "other" editors for personal projects and such.