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Is there something better than SQL? (self.programming)
submitted 1 year ago by onlinepersona to c/programming
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If you're modeling relational data, it doesn't seem like you can get around using a DB that uses SQL, which to me is the worst: most programmers aren't DB experts and the SQL they output is quite often terrible.

Not to dunk on the lemmy devs, they do a good job, but they themselves know that their SQL is bad. Luckily there are community members who stepped up and are doing a great job at fixing the numerous performance issues and tuning the DB settings, but not everybody has that kind of support, nor time.

Also, the translation step from binary (program) -> text (SQL) -> binary (server), just feels quite wrong. For HTML and CSS, it's fine, but for SQL, where injection is still in the top 10 security risks, is there something better?

Yes, there are ORMs, but some languages don't have them (rust has diesel for example, which still requires you to write SQL) and it would be great to "just" have a DB with a binary protocol that makes it unnecessary to write an ORM.

Does such a thing exist? Is there something better than SQL out there?

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[–] CameronDev 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree that SQL is hard, and optimising it is harder, but is a bespoke binary protocol per DB really easier?

You can usually connect to the DB directly via an ODBC driver, but that will involve SQL anyway.

[–] onlinepersona 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A protocol that forces the use of a query builder or ORM would be easier and better, I think. The DB developer would have to provide a library, which means one would have to learn the library, not a new language.

[–] CameronDev 3 points 1 year ago

Making raw sql access harder for applications is probably a good idea. Perhaps with something like rusts "unsafe", so you can still do it, but you have to deliberately make the decision to do so.

The other users for raw SQL are DB administrators, and I dont think youll be able to take SQL away from them as easily. I dont actually know what or how DB administrators work, but I dont think they are developers a lot of the time, so requiring them to write code to do their job might be a non-starter?