Programming

17674 readers

60 users here now

Welcome to the main community in programming.dev! Feel free to post anything relating to programming here!

Cross posting is strongly encouraged in the instance. If you feel your post or another person's post makes sense in another community cross post into it.

Hope you enjoy the instance!

Rules

Follow the programming.dev instance rules
Keep content related to programming in some way
If you're posting long videos try to add in some form of tldr for those who don't want to watch videos

Wormhole

Follow the wormhole through a path of communities [email protected]

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

snowe

Ategon

[email protected]

Devs don’t want to do ops (www.infoworld.com)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by erlingur to c/programming

8 comments fedilink hide all child comments

TLDR provided by ChatGPT:

As software development grows more complex, the devops approach, which merges software development and IT operations roles, is under scrutiny. Although devops has sped up updates and tightened feedback loops, it's often overburdening individuals by blurring developer and operator roles. Developers have voiced reluctance to handle operations, citing the specialized skills needed. The potential solutions include realigning responsibilities to empower developers with timely information, using container orchestration technologies like Kubernetes to separate developer and operator concerns, and expanding the roles of Site Reliability Engineering (SRE) and platform engineering. The future of software development may require a blend of devops, SRE, and platform engineering to effectively address the growing complexity.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] tonkaTruck 4 points 2 years ago

From the article:

“Where it doesn’t work well is by asking developers to do all of that work without centralized expertise and tooling support.”

IMO, developers should be given enough enough to get themselves in trouble. However there's a team that owns and enables those processes.

I've always thought of it like a team who owns an API. That API team owns the api, but if another team wants to use said API, cool, here's some documentation for it (env configs, OAuth2.0 onboarding, distrolist, future features, etc.). Maybe, depending on the company, there's a little more "ceremony" around how much the new team will be using the API just from a load perspective. But overall a team is allowed to digest the API with some guidance.

IMO, this is what should be happening with DevOps/DevSecOps/Operations. They enable the developers to follow some general cookie cutter guidelines with the ability to request adjustments. However, the permutations in what a person can do in operations are so much higher than just a well defined API service.

In my own career, I've found that "ace in my back pocket" is being able to handle a lot of my team's DevOps and general automation of tasks. But when I've coached and mentored folks usually there's a somewhat clear split between the developers who are interested in learning DevOps and those who just want to stay feature-devs.