this post was submitted on 16 Aug 2023
64 points (88.1% liked)
Programming
17669 readers
173 users here now
Welcome to the main community in programming.dev! Feel free to post anything relating to programming here!
Cross posting is strongly encouraged in the instance. If you feel your post or another person's post makes sense in another community cross post into it.
Hope you enjoy the instance!
Rules
Rules
- Follow the programming.dev instance rules
- Keep content related to programming in some way
- If you're posting long videos try to add in some form of tldr for those who don't want to watch videos
Wormhole
Follow the wormhole through a path of communities [email protected]
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Nah, I also hate Jira. It's slow, bloated, complicated, and has 1000x features I, as a developer, don't need.
But then again, I also hate the manager that makes me use it in ways that frustrate me.
But then again, the reason my manager loves Jira and wants me to use it that way, is that they can run a bunch of automated reports like "We did X work this week, consuming Y hours (Or points or whatever) and we predict that we will be done in Z timeframe".
Buuuuuut, that's all bullshit. Garbage data in, garbage reports out. Jira gives managers the CONFIDENCE that they know what's going on, instead of just talking to developers, having conversations, etc. As it turns out, programming is hard, and doesn't have clear A->B->C predictability. So those tasks that are left? non-exhaustive. Those hours we did? Didn't take into account the thousand little things that didn't go into the backlog (And would take longer to add it than to just do the work and ignore the extra time spent on the task). That burndown chart? Completely useless.
Jira is used to skirt around the complexity of software development. It enables bad management to exist much easier, because it allows said managers to not engage with the team or product in any meaningful way, then to push up the chain "progress reports" that are meaningless, then, when deadlines are passed, managers get to blame it on the developers for not tracking enough work in Jira.
Jira enables bad management.
On the other hand, bad managers abuse every tool they are given, and bad managers existed before Jira, just instead of automated reports, they had email reports and hand tracked hours. So whatever, the tool was built to service a broken industry anyway.
JIRA is just an issue tracker. Whatever they're doing to you with it is not its fault. ๐ You're supposed to use it to document and assign work items (stories, tasks, bugs). What has to be done, progress, duration estimates (in days!), attach whatever extra info is needed (links, files) and use the comments to keep each other in the loop and clear obstacles (blockers, dependencies etc.) It's fairly straightforward when used correctly.
You have to have some way of tracking development. If it weren't JIRA it would be something else โ but JIRA is commonly used because it's flexible and can adapt to many ways of doing things and to lots of the aspects of software development.
Nope, I mean at it's core, yes it is, but it's used for sooooooo much more than that. It enables management from a far distance, and that disencentivices managers from doing their job.
I get the premise, that tools just exist and it's us that put our own biases in them. But that looses a lot of nuance when a tool is specifically built for a purpose, such as oversight, tracking, and data collection. These design decisions take an "issue tracker" far away from what Trello, or a whiteboard with stickies on it for that matter, does.
It is a grave mistake to think that it's just an issue tracker, and that's all it can be. I've been in this industry long enough not to fall for that con. And it is a con, when someone manipulates you using a tool that is designed to make manipulation easier (I'M not telling you to point every story even if it doesn't make sense. But you know... Jira wants it, it's just... Outa my hands...).
Nah, Jira is for managers, not developers, and is far more than a simple issue tracker.
I love when a comment gets more upvotes than the original post