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Is ur an English word? Known meaning in English languages? I don't think so? I'm surprised they don't mention why they name it ur-languages.
In German, the word prefix ur means origin, stemming from the word Ursprung (origin). Which makes sense as origin-languages. And could have been named origin-languages, honestly.
Yes, but it’s a prefix and can’t be used as a word on its own.
I am a native English speaker and I know it. It’s rare though.
Same meaning as in German and apparently we borrowed it from German.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ur-
Ur is used in German a lot to signify something being ancient or the origin.
Großvater means grandfather. Urgroßvater means great-grandfather.
Ursuppe - Primordial soup
Urknall - Big Bang
Ursprung - Origin
English uses it as a loan word and prefix.
Smells a bit Scandinavian to me. In Norwegian we also use "ur" that way, including "urspråk" (Ursprache, ur-language). We have a different word for origin (opphav), so ur remains a prefix that's difficult for us to translate.
Going by Wikipedia however, the English translation for Norwegian urspråk and German Ursprache is proto-language.
Yes, although admittedly I only know it from Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism
Ah, I looked there on Wiktionary, but only
ur
notur-
😅Oh! I assumed it was something to do with the city of Ur, being some sort of analogy for the root of civilisation or something
I believe that's how it became a cognate in English as well. Very common to hear people use ur- to refer to the original or foundation of that thing.