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The Democratic party refused to understand that courting the right doesn't work - and now it's cost them the election
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this post was submitted on 06 Nov 2024
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Yeah, like how Harris fans were talking about people poisoning the blood of the country and their plans about deporting millions of people, which would require concentration camps. And then there's the Democratic party's genocidal persecution of queer people.
Basically no difference at all.
I don't want to leave this country, but I'm so fucking glad I'll get away from these sort of stupid lies.
They were talking about their plans to deport more people, build more immigrant holding facilities, and shutting the border down. When republicans started fear mongering about the "immigrant caravan", democrats hopped right on board.
Not even close to the same.
No one is saying they were good. That's the mistake so many people make about people who voted for Harris. Plenty of us didn't do it because we liked Harris. We did it because we hated Trump.
Over and over again, I said to people telling me not to vote for Harris, "which candidate should I vote for that has a legitimate chance of beating Donald Trump?" And I didn't get an answer.
Then, when Indiana finalized it's ballot, there were four names on it and write-ins were not allowed: Harris, Trump, Kennedy and Oliver. Again, I asked who I should vote for multiple times. No answer. The closest I got was a very confused person who told me I shouldn't vote for any of them as I did a process of elimination while simultaneously saying I shouldn't abstain.
Good lord you're prolific on here. Im pretty sure youve argued with me against progressive parties before and all of this is extreme revisionism. But its too far buried.
I'm not sure how that changes the fact that I asked and asked and I never got an answer for who I should vote for.
Even now, you're not saying who I should have voted for.
That is not how anyone wins elections.
I think you are completely lying. I was on here a lot promoting Stein, and getting extremely opposed by you and everyone else. Fuck off with this "i just wanted an answer" innocent BS
I'm not lying at all.
I literally could not vote for Stein. Did you not read what I wrote? Do I need to show you the Indiana ballot and prove it to you?
I'm not in your country, but already have Timewarp tagged as "Trump talking point maniac" for some time. Just so you know the lies are available abroad too.
I know they are, but less so. Or at least hopefully less so about America. I'll have to deal with all new lies in Britain.
Well Keir Starmer was one of the first to congratulate Trump on his victory before it was official, and talk about the "special relationship" between the two countries, so I wouldn't get your hopes up. Trump also owns a golf club is Scotland, so is sure to visit and the Tories are pushing for him to be allowed to address parliament when he does, which is nice.
When Keir Starmer starts planning the queer genocide Trump's people are planning, I'll give more of a shit. Right now, I am laser-focused on protecting my child. That is my only job right now.
To drop all the snark: I do worry about the UK, but for sure it would be a better place to be than the US right now.
It doesn't matter what country you go as long as it is a two party corporatocracy and the "left" is parading around with war-mongering neocons, supporting genocide, censoring and astroturfing social media for people point it out, etc... then you'll get the same result.
Oh that's fine. It's a three party corporatocracy in England. Plus the corporatocracies in other parts of Britain.
But they know what fascism is and they know that what Harris' supporters wanted wasn't fascism. So I'm happy to be going there.
I'm a progressive that is against fascism and genocide, but the number of Democrats that censored me and called me a fascist has me convinced that many of them are perfectly content with fascism as long as it is their fascism.
What, exactly, is "their fascism?"
"Censoring" you on a non-government website has nothing to do with fascism.
Censoring people, especially when they're telling the truth, so you can control the narrative through gaslighting and lies is pretty fascist in my book.
Then you need to learn what fascism is. And from someone who lived through a brutal fascist regime:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism
You don't know me. There are many elements of fascism. Several things in that link you just posted describe the Democrat party.
True. I don't know you. However, I do know you didn't live through Mussolini's Italy unless you are an extremely old man.
Umberto Eco did. He experienced fascism directly. You're now acting like you know about it better than he did. That's quite silly.
Are you an extremely old man? Who are you to pretend to know it better than anyone else? Texts help people understand the times, but don't encapsulate the experience or the nuances involved. I'm referring to what America, myself included, is going through now. Democrats didn't have to lose this election. Their choices are why they lost. And I stand by what I said, many of the characteristics of fasicsm in the link you posted sound an awful-lot like the Democratic party, admittedly not as radical as those of the Republicans.
Well I must admit I’ve never met someone who is arrogant enough to claim they know more about fascism than someone who lived through Mussolini’s regime. I suppose you also know more about the Holocaust than a survivor of Auschwitz.
If you want to refer to fascism only as it relates to Mussolini's regime, then 99% of people using the word in America have no concept of the word. I'm referring to modern day fascism here in America.
Nor do I claim that I know more. I'm giving my perspective and opinion on the matter as people online frequently do, and sometimes they turn out to be accurate. I wouldn't want corporate news as they frequently do to say, "here we have a survivor of Auschwitz, the sole authority of fascism to tell you why Kamala is a fascist. Everything they so must be true and you can't question it." Would you want that?
No, you’re referring to being butthurt because some of your posts got deleted which means fascism.
Which is such a privileged position that I am honestly astounded.
Is Trump a fascist to you, and if so why did you help him get elected? Do you think when you censor other people online and berate them, especially when they want progressive policies and peace, that it somehow helps you?
Please explain exactly how I helped Trump get elected. Specifically what did I do?
Again, I ask...
Do you think when you censor other people online and berate them, especially when they want progressive policies and peace, that it somehow helps you?
You indicate that Trumpism is fascism. The concept of attacking people that help you because they're not blindly loyal is one of the elements of fascism in the link you posted, and one of the reasons Kamala lost. Are you saying you never did that? That you welcomed third parties and showed them that you were willing to push for Kamala to change her positions up until the election?
You tell me. You are the one pointing the finger. Show your evidence. Or was it a lie?
Why is that my job? I was not part of her campaign and I am not a member of her party.
Now, let's see your evidence.
Why are you even bothering to respond at all then? Why claim that I'm butthurt that comments were removed and privileged for saying that Democrats also lean towards fascism?
Because I don't like liars.
And you have now lied about me too. Why did you lie about me?
I see question marks, not statements about you. Do you need a Wikipedia link that explains question marks?
Yes. You did use a question mark here.
That is what is known as one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
Because you are, within that loaded question, accusing me of helping Trump get elected. Which is a lie.
So I guess this would be lie #3.
If you're not American, and played no role in inorganically trying to elevate Democrats by attacking others for pointing out or diminishing Kamala's alignment with the neocons, genocidal support and pro-establishment messaging, then I'm sorry. My intention isn't to lie about anyone and would be no better than what I want to fight against.
So just being American means I got Trump elected? Really? I got Trump elected by being born somewhere I didn't choose to be born?
Are you American? Does that mean you got Trump elected?
I didn't say that just being American means you got Trump elected. I have been very clear what type of actions helped Trump getting elected, and have apologized if I misjudged some characterization of who you are. There is nothing else for me to say here. I wish you the best.