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If you didn't vote, or voted third party, because the Democrat candidate wasn't "Left enough" for you, then like it or not you got exactly what you voted for.
You have to vote like we have the system we have, not like we have the system you want.
I just don't get how these cucks don't get that.
It's simple. If you don't vote against the fascist dictator, you get a fascist dictator.
Judging by the responses by many of them on this platform, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, that's exactly what they wanted.
"I'm miserable and I want everyone else to be miserable too."
Thanks for cucking America, you Russian tools. Don't even bother making excuses. If you're one of the 20 million Americans that abstained from voting this election cycle, trust me, I will eternally blame you for the horrors that you have unleashed upon the world.
What % of total voters is a "registered republican"?
There’s no way to know exactly. Some states don’t disclose the voter registration statistics. North Dakota doesn’t even require party registration to vote.
Roughly a third
Why is this third considered to be representative of the "moderate republican"?
Look, I just got my coffee, it's four am, and you are asking me to effectively explain the previous 40 years of American politics to you.
I want to trust that you are asking in good faith, and that you deserve an explanation here, but I'm burnt out in the equivocation right now. So just give me a small signal that my time isn't wasted here and I can explain this to you .
I'm sorry. To me it seemed like something the more politically involved voter would do.
I don’t think that’s the response they were after.
You could have tried something like:
I can appreciate you’re tired and I think we’re all a little exhausted after this election cycle. I am definitely interested in learning your perspective on this and opening myself up to other viewpoints.
See I acknowledged OPs comment and tried to explain my motivations for the question. You, on the other hand, you called them out for rightfully wanting to value their time.
That's alright. Simply trying to understand the relationship between that graph, and the conclusion the author took from that.
But I see now that this might not be the appropriate crowd to question that relationship.
I'm sure them supporting and paying to kill women and children didn't help either, and that their online cult acted almost as fascist as the person they claimed they were trying to stop.
and that their online cult acted almost as fascist as the person they claimed they were trying to stop.
Yeah, like how Harris fans were talking about people poisoning the blood of the country and their plans about deporting millions of people, which would require concentration camps. And then there's the Democratic party's genocidal persecution of queer people.
Basically no difference at all.
I don't want to leave this country, but I'm so fucking glad I'll get away from these sort of stupid lies.
It doesn't matter what country you go as long as it is a two party corporatocracy and the "left" is parading around with war-mongering neocons, supporting genocide, censoring and astroturfing social media for people point it out, etc... then you'll get the same result.
Oh that's fine. It's a three party corporatocracy in England. Plus the corporatocracies in other parts of Britain.
But they know what fascism is and they know that what Harris' supporters wanted wasn't fascism. So I'm happy to be going there.
I'm a progressive that is against fascism and genocide, but the number of Democrats that censored me and called me a fascist has me convinced that many of them are perfectly content with fascism as long as it is their fascism.
What, exactly, is "their fascism?"
"Censoring" you on a non-government website has nothing to do with fascism.
Censoring people, especially when they're telling the truth, so you can control the narrative through gaslighting and lies is pretty fascist in my book.
Then you need to learn what fascism is. And from someone who lived through a brutal fascist regime:
You don't know me. There are many elements of fascism. Several things in that link you just posted describe the Democrat party.
True. I don't know you. However, I do know you didn't live through Mussolini's Italy unless you are an extremely old man.
Umberto Eco did. He experienced fascism directly. You're now acting like you know about it better than he did. That's quite silly.
Are you an extremely old man? Who are you to pretend to know it better than anyone else? Texts help people understand the times, but don't encapsulate the experience or the nuances involved. I'm referring to what America, myself included, is going through now. Democrats didn't have to lose this election. Their choices are why they lost. And I stand by what I said, many of the characteristics of fasicsm in the link you posted sound an awful-lot like the Democratic party, admittedly not as radical as those of the Republicans.
Well I must admit I’ve never met someone who is arrogant enough to claim they know more about fascism than someone who lived through Mussolini’s regime. I suppose you also know more about the Holocaust than a survivor of Auschwitz.
If you want to refer to fascism only as it relates to Mussolini's regime, then 99% of people using the word in America have no concept of the word. I'm referring to modern day fascism here in America.
Nor do I claim that I know more. I'm giving my perspective and opinion on the matter as people online frequently do, and sometimes they turn out to be accurate. I wouldn't want corporate news as they frequently do to say, "here we have a survivor of Auschwitz, the sole authority of fascism to tell you why Kamala is a fascist. Everything they so must be true and you can't question it." Would you want that?
No, you’re referring to being butthurt because some of your posts got deleted which means fascism.
Which is such a privileged position that I am honestly astounded.
Is Trump a fascist to you, and if so why did you help him get elected? Do you think when you censor other people online and berate them, especially when they want progressive policies and peace, that it somehow helps you?
Please explain exactly how I helped Trump get elected. Specifically what did I do?
No, you’re referring to being butthurt because some of your posts got deleted which means fascism. Which is such a privileged position that I am honestly astounded.
Again, I ask...
Do you think when you censor other people online and berate them, especially when they want progressive policies and peace, that it somehow helps you?
You indicate that Trumpism is fascism. The concept of attacking people that help you because they're not blindly loyal is one of the elements of fascism in the link you posted, and one of the reasons Kamala lost. Are you saying you never did that? That you welcomed third parties and showed them that you were willing to push for Kamala to change her positions up until the election?
Are you saying you never did that?
You tell me. You are the one pointing the finger. Show your evidence. Or was it a lie?
That you welcomed third parties and showed them that you were willing to push for Kamala to change her positions up until the election?
Why is that my job? I was not part of her campaign and I am not a member of her party.
Now, let's see your evidence.
Why is that my job? I was not part of her campaign and I am not a member of her party.
Why are you even bothering to respond at all then? Why claim that I'm butthurt that comments were removed and privileged for saying that Democrats also lean towards fascism?
Nobody is under the illusion that Trump is better for the situation in Gaza than Harris.
But, too many left-leaning voters feel they have to "take a stand" by staying home or voting third party. I have several friends who did exactly that, even though it's abundantly clear that staying home is effectively a vote for Trump.
Meanwhile, NOBODY on the conservative side is doing that shit. It's been true since the Reagan era, the conservatives put aside any personal distaste they have, and they get behind their candidate.
Almost like Kamala could have changed her stance on the situation and got those people out to vote for her. But sure, let's blame people not willing to hold their nose and vote for more genocide.
Yay oligarchy.
If the Republicans are going to call the Democrats communists and socialist regardless of how moderate a campaign Democrats run, Democrats might as well lean further left on economic policy. Appealing to the right does nothing because the right can appeal to the right better than the center-left can
None of that will work anymore. The far right owns the house, the senate, the government enforcement agencies, and the Supreme Court. We're nearing the end of the monopoly game and you don't get anything extra for landing on free parking. The restraints for any of the rich and powerful just got taken off.
Which is precisely why they don't. They don't exist to threaten the establishment, they are part of it, and are there to provide the illusion of choice so that the public feel like we're helping while those in power do whatever they need to at our expense to keep that power. Playing by the rules and within the systems they have set out for us can and will only ever maintain the status quo.
Yup. Democratic leadership would rather trump win than run a left-facing campaign and candidate. What's the definition of insanity?
Democratic leadership has to call corporate donors before they can make any decisions
The Democratic Party is basically dead now. Time to sit back and watch the MAGAs eat themselves. Clock ticking.
I mean, there's a whole lot that went wrong, but the big one was subverting the democratic process with primaries that didn't really pick a popular candidate (2016 and 2024).
The primaries are the time for the candidate to energize a base of support. Harris has never energized anybody, and it was silly to think that affection for Biden would carry her.
Conservatives vote in force to signal their loyalty to their chosen community.
Progressives stay home when they perceive that their community doesn't chose them. Harris' vote totals at the end of this will sit somewhere below Biden 2020, for that reason.
The problem with that strategy is that moderate Republicans don't watch the news. They believe that all other Republicans are just like them and hold all the same beliefs, because all their friends are in the same echo chamber. So then they believe all Republican politicians are the same way. They intentionally don't pay attention to the news because it is full of sensationalism and depressing things they can't personally control like terrorism and mass shootings. They still believe it's important to vote, because that's the patriotic thing to do, and they can just fill the bubbles next to every name marked REP and not have to worry about doing research and learning facts. It's just the easy way and they've lived their whole lives doing things the easy way because of white privilege and generational wealth, but any low points in their lives they will consider to be "hardship" so they "know" that anyone living in poverty is just not trying hard enough, because they personally made it through that "struggle" with barely more than the average effort they usually contribute to anything.
How do I know this? I was raised in a family that is exactly how I described here. The only reason I'm not just like them is that I went to public school and made friends with kids who did not come from the same background. It took about 17 years to finally see all the flawed logic and head-in-sandness before finally breaking free and forging my own path based on my own beliefs.
I can't believe the Dick Cheney fans forgot to vote
