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The Democratic party refused to understand that courting the right doesn't work - and now it's cost them the election
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this post was submitted on 06 Nov 2024
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They were talking about their plans to deport more people, build more immigrant holding facilities, and shutting the border down. When republicans started fear mongering about the "immigrant caravan", democrats hopped right on board.
Not even close to the same.
No one is saying they were good. That's the mistake so many people make about people who voted for Harris. Plenty of us didn't do it because we liked Harris. We did it because we hated Trump.
Over and over again, I said to people telling me not to vote for Harris, "which candidate should I vote for that has a legitimate chance of beating Donald Trump?" And I didn't get an answer.
Then, when Indiana finalized it's ballot, there were four names on it and write-ins were not allowed: Harris, Trump, Kennedy and Oliver. Again, I asked who I should vote for multiple times. No answer. The closest I got was a very confused person who told me I shouldn't vote for any of them as I did a process of elimination while simultaneously saying I shouldn't abstain.
Good lord you're prolific on here. Im pretty sure youve argued with me against progressive parties before and all of this is extreme revisionism. But its too far buried.
I'm not sure how that changes the fact that I asked and asked and I never got an answer for who I should vote for.
Even now, you're not saying who I should have voted for.
That is not how anyone wins elections.
I think you are completely lying. I was on here a lot promoting Stein, and getting extremely opposed by you and everyone else. Fuck off with this "i just wanted an answer" innocent BS
I'm not lying at all.
I literally could not vote for Stein. Did you not read what I wrote? Do I need to show you the Indiana ballot and prove it to you?
Oh im well aware, of the democratic campaign against ballot access and write-in permission for the green party. And you are too, and I think you participated in it. You didnt just recently show up, youve been on here the whole election cycle. Before primaries, before these decisions were made, fighting against any alternative to democrats.
I didn't fight anything.
Again, I asked over and over who I should vote for that had a good chance of beating Trump. That was my number one reason for voting.
I did not get an answer except one guy who said Cornell West, which is laughably wrong. I apparently didn't ask you if you would have said Jill Stein because that has been laughably wrong multiple times now.
I can't help it if people can't get their act together and give me a name. I'm not going to pick one out of a hat.
Whoever you and everyone else say cant beat trump, cant beat Trump, because its an election you decide the outcome of. Unfortunately, people decided no one can beat trump.
Again. I asked for a name. I asked for months and months until the ballots were finalized.
No one except the Cornell West guy gave me one.
If you think people should have voted for Jill Stein, her campaign apparently didn't think Hoosiers should. All they had to do was fill out a declaration of being a write-in candidate to get on the ballot and they didn't do it. No one did it. You could have done it. It's a two-page form. And it's somehow my fault that I didn't and couldn't vote for Jill Stein when no one even suggested I vote for her in the first place?
So, again, I can't help it if people can't get their act together and give me a name.
Man you already dropped the act saying names you were given, including Stein, couldnt beat Trump. Stop with the lies I know I told you about Stein
I'm not lying about anything. And, again, how was I supposed to vote for her if her campaign didn't bother to fill out a two-page form?
Why would I want to vote for someone who's campaign is that lazy anyway?
Youre doing this weird straddle between feigning ignorance, and also knowing the tiniest details about why you're fighting against Stein (but pretending you're not). I never heard about a form to fill out to be allowed to be a write in candidate. I assume you, like the Green Party, are finding out after the fact. Because you cant be that dense, you cant really think they were just too lazy to fill out a 2 page form. Like, you know they filled out a ton of forms, submitted mountains of petitions. Forms created and intentionally obfuscated by democratic and republican state legislatures to inhibit third party participation.
Okay, I'm tired of you repeatedly insisting I'm a liar
And yeah, I am "that dense" because that is literally all that is necessary in Indiana and has happened before, even with the Green Party.
I may be dense, but I do happen to know my state's election laws, thank you.
Its apparently not all that is necessary, Green Partys been involved in a whole court case about it https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca7/23-2756/23-2756-2024-08-19.html
That has nothing to do with being a write-in candidate. I think you would have known that if you had read the link. Funny that you keep calling me a liar and then post a link that has nothing to do with the fact that a two-page form is all you need to fill out to be a write-in.
It mentions it. Its a case about ballot access in general.
Yet again, all you need to do to be a write-in candidate is file a two-page form. That's a simple fact whether you like or not.
Alright i found the issue, it was an either or choice
https://indianacitizen.org/electoral-hurdles-independent-and-third-party-candidates-struggle-to-get-on-indianas-ballot/
If you get past that irrational hatred for progressive parties I know youve got the common sense in there to know theyre not just too lazy to fill out a form.
Yes. I know they didn't file the necessary paperwork. That's not my problem, that's theirs. I don't really care why they didn't bother doing it. It's their job to get their candidate on the ballot. They fucked that up royally. And you think that's a candidate worth voting for. One who's people would rather throw a fit than follow simple instructions.
Get your head out of the sand. It is not their decision whether or not theyre allowed on the ballots, it is democrats and republicans.
I love how you are trying to find any way to get out of the fact that Jill Stein couldn't get herself on the ballot in Indiana, so I couldn't vote for her no matter how much you think I should have.
Democrats took a page right out of russia this year with how many candidates they kept out of the election. Yall are some monsters.
"Yall?"
Are you saying I am a Democrat?
Please provide evidence for this claim. Unless it was a lie. Was it a lie?
Honestly id suggest never calling yourself a democrat again after this anti-democratic spiel. Anyone not opposing these politicians efforts to keep competition from being allowed to be voted for.
Got it. It was a lie.
There is no again because I have never been a member of that party.
Please stop lying about me. You don't know me.