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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

National security interests are the interests of the people though.

The fundamental issue is that, assuming I'm not leaking national security information, I can say nearly anything I want on Facebook, Twitter, etc. (as long as I'm not in violation of their terms of service). The US largely does not censor people using the power of the gov't. If I am an authoritarian communist, I'm more than welcome to spread these views on any American social network that I choose without gov't interference. I can spread anti-vax and Q nonsense if I wish, and the worst-case scenario is that my neighbors will stop talking to me. I can attack the very foundation of the country if I want, as long as I'm not spreading military secrets.

This is not the case in China. Spreading pro-capitalism and pro-democracy messages can quickly get you arrested. Trying to share accurate information about what really happened in Tianamen Square in 1989 can result in you disappearing. Words and phrases are actively censored by the gov't on social media. The Chinese gov't takes a direct role in shaping social media by what it promotes, and what it forbids. Anything that's perceived as an attack on the political system of the country, the party, or any of the leaders (remember the internationally famous tennis player that abruptly disappeared when she accused a local party leader of sexual assault?) will put you at risk.

This isn't a case of, "oh, both sides are the same".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

National security interests are the interests of the people though.

In a broad sense, sure, but "national security interests" are a huge excuse for bad policy.

assuming I’m not leaking national security information

That only applies if you are in a position that has access to classified information, or have reason to believe that a certain piece of information is classified. If you acquire information without access to classified information (i.e. if you see something on government property with binoculars or something), you are free to share that information.

The US largely does not censor people using the power of the gov’t

Not individuals, sure, but there are backroom threats for journalists that can significantly impact what the average person sees. If you get a big enough audience, you'll start to see these threats.

Here's the press freedom index the RSF posts, and while the US is better than most, it's not at the top, and it's a big reason why I like to read news publications from other areas (Canada and UK).

And yes, China is way worse, that goes without saying. But that doesn't mean we should completely block them, it means we should be taking an active role in pointing out the propaganda so the world can see through their BS.

This isn’t a case of, “oh, both sides are the same”.

Never claimed it was.