Ask Lemmy
A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions
Rules: (interactive)
1) Be nice and; have fun
Doxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them
2) All posts must end with a '?'
This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?
3) No spam
Please do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.
4) NSFW is okay, within reason
Just remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either [email protected] or [email protected].
NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].
5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions.
If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email [email protected]. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.
Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.
Partnered Communities:
Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu
view the rest of the comments
"Let's agree to disagree".
No, you asshole, we are getting to the bottom of this: you expose your reasoning for your position and I will do the same and this ends when reason doesn't support anymore one of the 2 sides.
Some things are truly just up to personal preference. "Agree to disagree" is a perfectly valid thing to say when discussing how to cook a steak in my opinion.
True. How to cook a steak, whether coffee or orange juice is better in the morning, are topics upon which reasonable people may differ, and for those, agreeing to disagree is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. However, an aggravating number of people genuinely believe that whether or not trans people should be allowed to exist is one such topic, and say this to avoid having their beliefs challenged.
One-inch thick top sirloin steak. Salt and pepper heavily. Grill at 400. Four minutes total. Flip each minute to get the good grill marks. Let sit for two minutes. Down the hatch.
Of all things, cooking a steak is the worst example maybe. Also, there is no reasoning around not allowing things or people to exist because, for one, they exist.
You can always put them to sleep, you know? The fact they exist doesn't mean they will be allowed to continue doing so. Cooking a steak is a great example, but perhaps too emotionally charged.
That is not the same as making them cease to exist. A lot of people wish that was the case, but hundreds of martyrs, saints and not, prove them wrong.
Yes, you're right. I just think the original comment was not about people wanting trans to not exist as a phenomenon, it was about people who know it exists, but who want trans people to be punished for being what they are.
Isn't that sort of the point? They can't actually get rid of us, but they think they can and should. That's not something I'll "agree to disagree" on.
It is not the point of this discussion in particular because I am talking about positions held on the basis of reasoning. The wet dreams of an American conservative are not exactly a bright example of logic.
If you don't understand that you're saying that in the context of a thread about "agree to disagree" then I'm not sure there's anything more to say.
Reason alone rarely if ever supports only one side or the other. You choose how you are weighting things; that's an emotional response, not a logical one.
Everyone answering me seems to not allow for the option that I may not counter the other person with an alternative I defend with reason. My dislike for that expression assumes that I find myself in a discussion over something worth defending with reason, otherwise there is no discussion in the first place.