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Proton Mail goes AI, security-focused userbase goes ‘what on earth’ (pivot-to-ai.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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we appear to be the first to write up the outrage coherently too. much thanks to the illustrious @self

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'll mention I went to Fastmail (mainly because they're an Aus company as well as the privacy stuff), so far so good.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

fastmail is viciously anti union however https://union.place/@fastmailunited/112672408714595554

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

ah fuck I wasn’t aware of this, thanks for mentioning

off the list they go

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I ended up settling on Infomaniak's kSuite after looking around. They're a mid-sized registrar and hosting company.

They're partially employee owned (and I believe in the process of becoming fully owned by employees). I'll grant their privacy policy is just standard EU/Swiss boilerplate, though (stuff like no sharing your data, etc., that you always find in EU paid services like this). GDPR compliance was all I was looking for.

The web client looks nice and kDrive is affordably priced if you need a Google docs/photos/drive alternative.

Edits: clarity and me refreshing my memory on their privacy policy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Was hesitating between Proton and Ksuite.

I was already pouting toward them, but you finished to convince me to go to Infomaniak, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I've been using them for my domain and email for almost a year now and I have no complaints. I had to talk to customer support twice to fix a couple things that came up and they got back to me right away. Can't say the same for the last service I used lol

I think it's fair to point out they're not designed around encryption like proton is. It's not a factor in my threat model because I treat email as non-private communication, but it's something you should know if you're wanting proton for that reason.

kDrive is a heavily customized Nextcloud/OnlyOffice implementation with a pretty new and well-regarded file sync algorithm they implemented last year. I would recommend cryptomator to client side encrypt anything you want to protect. It's at rest encrypted, but not end-to-end because there's nothing client side.Here's a list of WebDAV urls from the Cryptomator community to help you set it up. KDrive is on there.

Anyway, hope it works out for you!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

It's mostly for private/family matters so that seems perfect for my need.

Thanks a lot for taking the time to explain like you did, really appreciate it :)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah I saw that, pretty shitty. I also didn't even realise they had a US division, given how they tout themselves as an Australian company.