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A BBC investigation reveals that Microsoft is permanently banning Palestinians in the U.S. and other countries who use Skype to call relatives in Gaza.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 4 months ago (5 children)

That's what you get for trusting Microsoft with anything...or Google...or Apple...or Facebook... stop tying your communication to these companies, they can pull the rug at any time.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago (9 children)

You have to trust someone with these communications, there is no free communication beyond face to face

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Matrix (federated) or Briar (multi-modal P2P) are both good options for getting rid of dependency on central organizations.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Still need an ISP. ISPs are pretty centralized and monolithic for lots of people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'll just build my own cell tower and become my own ISP, checkmate

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It won't be too useful unless you peer with the others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

That sounds just meshtastic.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

You're assuming that people in Gaza have consistent access to the internet. The beauty of Skype is that you can call a landline through it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Unless you build your own, you have to trust your ISP to move packets, but you don't have to rely on any third party services or give them your personal info to use social media.

Fully decentralized, open-source, and encrypted social networks exist. The only servers needed are your computer and the computers of the friends you communicate with. (See: Retroshare )

They're just never going to get big because small, personal friend-to-friend networks can't compete with the network effects of centralized media and a never-ending torrent of dopamine on tap.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

From my comment above:

You're assuming that people in Gaza have consistent access to the internet. The beauty of Skype is that you can call a landline through it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Whoops, somehow managed to typo it. Fixed now.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

trust yourself by hosting a matrix server

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How do you call a landline number in a war zone through a matrix server?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I was simply responding to the comment:

You have to trust someone with these communications, there is no free communication beyond face to face

the oh-so-clever smart alecks saying "whaddabout ISPs????" forgot about 2-way radio and meshnets

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Signal is centrally hosted thus it's proverbial rug can be pulled.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Wait until you find out about internet service providers

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You can have more than one dumb pipe to push bits through, but if the ISP can read your network traffic then you have bigger problems than a single-point-of-failure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Do you have more than one ISP?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I'm very lucky in that regard. Not only do we have a local ISP and mobile service from a national carrier, but the electric co-op that provides our power just ran 2.5Gb/s fiber through the neighborhood and lets members use 200Mb/s on it for free.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

True. Yet another linchpin.

Edit: spelling.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

For the most part the ISP doesn't have a way to know you are using VoIP to contact people in a particular country (unless you are using a VoIP service owned by the ISP of course).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Threema is what signal should have been.

But I ain't got in me to start forcing people again lol

Signal it is until it is proven untrustworthy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah, they’re both good (still).

features Threema Signal
price $5 / 5€ Free
account creation phone number optional phone number required
[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They didn't fuck up, they made a design choice about the scope of the app. Are they also fucking up by not blurring the messages on screen? After all someone could be looking over your shoulder without you realizing it. Maybe Signal should ship with spyglasses.

[–] Feyd 7 points 4 months ago

You're absolutely right and it's insane I keep coming across these wild takes from people that clearly don't understand technology

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure why you think anyone would want a messenger that touts itself for its encryption to not encrypt things.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (7 children)

It does encrpyt messages: In transit, exactly as advertised. Holy fuck.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Damn that's bad, and Signal's response was even worse. They knew about it in 2018, for 6 years.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

I always felt like signal is there more to satisfy a niche so people feel like their whatsapp is good enough.

Leadership makes some odd chocies IMHO

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't Elon Musk trying to push Telegram?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

That wouldn't shock me, but he was right that Signal was not addressing a known vulnerability. In fact, denying that it even was a vulnerability.

For what it's worth, I trust Telegram even less than Signal. And at least Signal seems to be finally doing something about the problem.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Not true at all lol, have you heard of peer-to-peer?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

This is what net neutrality and anti-trust laws are for.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

You can run your own infrastructure.

Matrix has been recommended, but you can run your own Synapse server and federate with other servers.

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[–] odium 14 points 4 months ago

Your average person doesn't know of any communication method other than mega corps.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Yor right I will just use my billions of dollars to build a global internet infrastructure and make my posts on my own phone using the os I just built in my spare time for fun its not about trust its about necessity

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

That's what you get

You're right, they deserve this. You asshole.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

We had an issue a couple days ago where we couldn't move a VIP to a new phone because the vendor wanted us to perform multi-factor auth via a device from two years ago. We had to roll back the service. Our entire lives are built atop fragile digital infrastructure with broken and poorly thought-out policies.