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A BBC investigation reveals that Microsoft is permanently banning Palestinians in the U.S. and other countries who use Skype to call relatives in Gaza.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago (9 children)

You have to trust someone with these communications, there is no free communication beyond face to face

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Matrix (federated) or Briar (multi-modal P2P) are both good options for getting rid of dependency on central organizations.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Still need an ISP. ISPs are pretty centralized and monolithic for lots of people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'll just build my own cell tower and become my own ISP, checkmate

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It won't be too useful unless you peer with the others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

That sounds just meshtastic.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

You're assuming that people in Gaza have consistent access to the internet. The beauty of Skype is that you can call a landline through it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Unless you build your own, you have to trust your ISP to move packets, but you don't have to rely on any third party services or give them your personal info to use social media.

Fully decentralized, open-source, and encrypted social networks exist. The only servers needed are your computer and the computers of the friends you communicate with. (See: Retroshare )

They're just never going to get big because small, personal friend-to-friend networks can't compete with the network effects of centralized media and a never-ending torrent of dopamine on tap.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Whoops, somehow managed to typo it. Fixed now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

From my comment above:

You're assuming that people in Gaza have consistent access to the internet. The beauty of Skype is that you can call a landline through it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

trust yourself by hosting a matrix server

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How do you call a landline number in a war zone through a matrix server?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I was simply responding to the comment:

You have to trust someone with these communications, there is no free communication beyond face to face

the oh-so-clever smart alecks saying "whaddabout ISPs????" forgot about 2-way radio and meshnets

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Signal is centrally hosted thus it's proverbial rug can be pulled.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Wait until you find out about internet service providers

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You can have more than one dumb pipe to push bits through, but if the ISP can read your network traffic then you have bigger problems than a single-point-of-failure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Do you have more than one ISP?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I'm very lucky in that regard. Not only do we have a local ISP and mobile service from a national carrier, but the electric co-op that provides our power just ran 2.5Gb/s fiber through the neighborhood and lets members use 200Mb/s on it for free.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

True. Yet another linchpin.

Edit: spelling.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

For the most part the ISP doesn't have a way to know you are using VoIP to contact people in a particular country (unless you are using a VoIP service owned by the ISP of course).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Threema is what signal should have been.

But I ain't got in me to start forcing people again lol

Signal it is until it is proven untrustworthy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah, they’re both good (still).

features Threema Signal
price $5 / 5€ Free
account creation phone number optional phone number required
[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They didn't fuck up, they made a design choice about the scope of the app. Are they also fucking up by not blurring the messages on screen? After all someone could be looking over your shoulder without you realizing it. Maybe Signal should ship with spyglasses.

[–] Feyd 7 points 4 months ago

You're absolutely right and it's insane I keep coming across these wild takes from people that clearly don't understand technology

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure why you think anyone would want a messenger that touts itself for its encryption to not encrypt things.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It does encrpyt messages: In transit, exactly as advertised. Holy fuck.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Then it's weird they are fixing it now. Why aren't they insisting this doesn't need to be dealt with because it was a feature, not a bug?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's weird that apps sometimes change scope and add features that users want? Ones that contributers already did most of the work for?

Why aren’t they insisting this doesn’t need to be dealt with because it was a feature, not a bug?

That was literally what they have been saying this whole fucking time.

"The database key was never intended to be a secret. At-rest encryption is not something that Signal Desktop is currently trying to provide or has ever claimed to provide," responded the Signal employee.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago

Did they make an intentional design choice which users should have been okay with like you said the first time or is this a feature users wanted? It can't be both.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's really fucking annoying how relentlessly you pick fights with people these days. Wish you'd chill out dude.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Or I'm just speaking my mind and you don't agree.

And aren't you picking as fight with me right now?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Not picking a fight; don't really care what you have to say in response. Just needed to share my observation that you are latching onto people in a really aggressive manner in multiple threads as of late. If that doesn't bother you then go ahead and disregard.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

You are right to bringing up this issue and it is pretty fucking big deal inho mistakes happen but signal "leadership" has made series of questionable choice which don't quite align with the user base.

Other person is down playing it hard too. Hard to tell why as he is not really providing any good reason besides trying to "explain" it away

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't Elon Musk trying to push Telegram?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

That wouldn't shock me, but he was right that Signal was not addressing a known vulnerability. In fact, denying that it even was a vulnerability.

For what it's worth, I trust Telegram even less than Signal. And at least Signal seems to be finally doing something about the problem.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Damn that's bad, and Signal's response was even worse. They knew about it in 2018, for 6 years.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

I always felt like signal is there more to satisfy a niche so people feel like their whatsapp is good enough.

Leadership makes some odd chocies IMHO

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Not true at all lol, have you heard of peer-to-peer?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

This is what net neutrality and anti-trust laws are for.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

You can run your own infrastructure.

Matrix has been recommended, but you can run your own Synapse server and federate with other servers.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago

This is exactly what they want you to believe.