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That requires a complete picture and all possible use cases from the start. Initially when a language is new and hardly used there are much to benefit from flexibility and trying new concepts. Then as the language matures, a more formal process is needed to ensure stability. There is a reason these discussions comes now, since rust is in a very stable phase.

As someone that have worked in software for 30 years, and deplying complicated software, shared libraries is a misstake. You think you get the benefit of size and easy security upgrades, but due to deployment hell you end up using docker and now your deployment actually added a whole OS in size and you need to do security upgrades for this OS instead of just your application. I use rust for some software now, and I build it with musl, and is struck by how small things get in relation to the regular deployment, and it feels like magic that I no longer get glibc incompatibility issues.

Ok, I then have some business proposals....

Mindblowing features are basically, by definition, a result of bad language design. They blow your mind, since they are totally unexpected behaviours. They may still be cool, but they are unexpected and hence unintuitive.

A language that are full of these is Perl. And one simple one is that you can take the string "AAAAA" and use addition on that, like "AAAAA"++ and you will get the result "AAAAB". Cool you may think, but is it really? Addition is normally used to increase the value of a number, that is a completely different operation than modifying a String. The string "AAAAA" cannot be said to be greater or less than "AAAAB", besides the very special case when we order it. But in general the name "John" is not considered to be higher/lower than "Mark", they are just different. So, even if it is cool to manipulate strings by using addition/subtraction, it is still bad language design and very unintuitive. Also, since perl is so loosely typed, it may also cause very unexpected bugs.

Which is kind of surprising, since it basically just is a bunch of "I'm cannot understand why .... is needed", "I cannot learn...." and "I think that is ugly". And since the OP is coming from TypeScript, and how the OPs understanding of programming, it is clear it is a junior web developer trying rust and failing. Nothing to see here... well, the OP clearly have some kind of grandios ego, thinking that the OPs inability to learn something, must be because it is bad (I mean, there is clearly no other possiblities)... but not even that is worth responding to. And don't read this wrong, there is plenty to complain about with Rust, however, nothing of that is in OP which is basically just as insightful as a baby crying.

Ok, so we use different search engine so you didn't find this particular hit. But, do you really claim that learning material is an issue here. And about my attitude, yes, I was a bit cranky. In general, you can ask any stupid question, heck I ask stupid questions all the time and they will be answered kindly. The rust community knows that lifetimes and stuff like that is complicated.

However, I'm quite fed up with the attitude that it is someone elses obligation to spoon feed you with knowledge that exists right under the nose... and that is a very common attitude amongst the "For rust to succeed..." evangelists.

There are lots of guides, tutorials and documentation. The responsibility is no longer on someone else, it is up to the individuals to actually read any of them. And to be honest, if you are unable to use them to learn rust, maybe your c++ skills isn't that impressive either.

https://bpbonline.com/products/rust-for-c-programmers?variant=42560853639368 is one if found using a tool called search engine...

I wanted to use the debug fmt functions, to allow for pretty debug also.

No, but the process to identify the ones that work is all part of the modern medicine. Before that, placebo and lack of scientific methods made it impossible to separate a working substance from snake oil.

Yes, historical medicin was so good, lets work our ass off to recreate it...

Are you saying that it is common that people use utf8 characters that you cannot easily type on a standard keyboard? I'm very skeptical of this claim.

Good to know that every time I feel the need to use ALGOL 68, I must remember to disable ligatures. Still not sure this is going to be a huge problem 😂