Experience != expertise or skill. I have never met someone who was actually good at both. Maybe if your backend is just some SQL queries. I am a backend engineer and I’m adequate at front end but I’d never hire someone whose skills were merely adequate unless I thought they had the potential to reach ‘good’.
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Scripting languages being languages that are traditionally source distributed.
- Source distributed means you can read the source if it hasn't been obfuscated. OTOH, it is trivial to decompile Java and C# so this isn't a real difference for those languages (which happen to be compiled languages). So it's only relevant for languages specifically compiled to machine code.
- Source distributed means the recipient needs to install something. OTOH, Java and C#, again.
So the only ways that the distribution mechanism matter are really a difference between How does the distribution mechanism matter beyond that? And even those points are
They tend to be much easier to write
I'm assuming you are not saying "real" languages should be hard to write...
run slower
Objective-C and Go run slower than C and they're all compiled languages. Sure, an interpreter will be slower than a compiled language but modern languages aren't simply interpreted (i.e. JIT, etc).
often but not always dynamically typed, and operate at a higher level
There are dynamically typed compiled languages, and high level compiled languages.
It’s not a demeaning separation, just a useful categorization IMO.
Calling one class of languages "real" and another class something else is inherently demeaning. I wouldn't have cared enough to type this if you used "compiled vs scripting" instead of "real vs scripting". Though I disagree with using "scripting" at all to describe a language since that's an assertion of how you use the language, not of the language itself. "Interpreted" on the other hand is a descriptor of the language itself.
As someone who loves C there are lots of languages that seem too limiting and high level, doesn’t mean they aren’t useful tho.
I personally can't stand Java because the language designers decided to remove 'dangerous' features like pointers and unsigned integers because apparently programmers are children who are incapable of handling the risk. On the other hand I love Go. It's high level enough to be enjoyable and easy to write, but if you want to get into the weeds you can.
That line is blurring to the point where it barely exists any more. Compiled languages are becoming increasingly dynamic (e.g. JIT compilation, code generation at runtime) and interpreted languages are getting compiled. JavaScript is a great example: V8 uses LLVM (a traditional compiler) to optimize and compile hot functions into machine code.
IMO the only definition of “real” programming language that makes any sense is a (Turing complete) language you can realistically build production systems with. Anything else is pointlessly pedantic or gatekeeping.
Malboge and brainfuck are also Turing complete. Hell, magic the gathering is technically Turing complete. Yet for some reason no one uses them for production systems… A real programming language is something you can realistically use to create production software, not just something that’s Turing complete.
Also (source):
You can encode Rule 110 in CSS3, so it's Turing-complete so long as you consider an appropriate accompanying HTML file and user interactions to be part of the “execution” of CSS.
So unless you have a different source, CSS is not Turing complete by itself. CSS+HTML is - if you allow “user interactions” which IMO disqualifies it.
Most* sane* programming languages are easy to
Who says Python isn’t a real programming language? Do they mean it in the same way as “real men prefer X”? That’s an opinion, though an idiotic one. Because if they mean it in the “CSS isn’t a programming language” sense, that’s factually wrong (about Python).
I’d rather use a language that doesn’t treat me like an incompetent child, removing unsigned ints because “they’re a source of bugs”.
Or use a statically typed language that’s actually modern instead of C
Why? In my experience using a real debugger is always the superior choice. The only time I don’t is when I can’t.
Huh? Main file? Do you mean main package? A module can contain an arbitrary number of main packages but I don’t see how that has anything to do with this post. Also are you saying modules are equivalent to classes? That may be the strangest take I’ve ever heard about Go.
If you actually have deep knowledge in a specialty, then you describe yourself as that specialty. ‘Full stack engineer’ coneys that you don’t have a specialty/are a master of nothing/your skills are _ shaped.