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[–] [email protected] 79 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Sure X isn’t a hot mess unlike wayland… sure…

[–] jwt 13 points 10 months ago

X has been tepid for at least a decade.

[–] Scoopta 58 points 10 months ago (4 children)

As someone using Wayland I can confirm it's indeed not a hot a mess

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

Okay, but that would have made a shitty joke wouldn't it?

Hmm.. I don't know maybe it's fine as a joke.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Can I use AwesomeWM, XMonad, or StumpWM on Wayland?

Can I run a GUI program over ssh?

Does it support the X selection and clipboard protocols?

(These are not rhetorical questions, I'm really asking.)

[–] Scoopta 12 points 10 months ago

No you cannot run any of those WMs, some of those do have ports with varying degrees of completeness but only sway(i3) and hyprland(hypr) are ready for prime time.

Yes, using waypipe

Yes, primary selection does work along with Ctrl+c although as others have mentioned it forgets when the app you copied from gets closed

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Can I use AwesomeWM, XMonad, or StumpWM on Wayland?

Can you run macos software on linux?

Can I run a GUI program over ssh?

This is more of a why would you... Although, waypipe

Does it support the X selection and clipboard protocols?

Too lazy to google, but overall clipboard works as expected, both C-c and text selection. I remember experiencing problems with clipboards in vim (like 2 yrs ago) which were fixed by switching to nvim

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Wayland only keeps the clipboard until the application exits. This means a clipboard manager is basically a requirement. Iirc desktop environments might solve those issues by default, but on a standalone compositor just add a clipboard manager and enjoy the history.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Correct, yet I personally don't find it too useful and sometimes harmful when dealing with, for example, password managers

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I've added a keybind for deleting history, but it'd be great to have a way to specify short lived clipboard entries. But this might also be one of those standards that no one implements.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Seconded. Although that very much depends on the compositor of choice: I've been trying out a few new shiny things (well, pinnacle, strata, buddaraysh), and they aren't exactly usable rn. With the exception of the latter one, probably (since the author claims to use it), but I haven't been able to start it so far... On the other hand, major players like hyprland and sway work perfectly fine on my machine :tm

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

I'm on KWin Wayland, it also works great. I actually never noticed that I was switched from X11 to Wayland when I reinstalled Debian.

[–] Scoopta 3 points 10 months ago

I personally run sway. I was really looking forward to kiwmi but that project looks dead

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

OK cool. When will it support nVidia?

inb4 it's nShitia who must support Wayland

Wayland compositors run entirely in userspace and do not interact directly with hardware drivers. If Wayland doesn't work on nVidia but X does, it's a Wayland problem.

[–] Scoopta 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Compositors do directly interact with the drivers though. The reason Wayland doesn't work on Nvidia is because Wayland uses an API called GBM(generic buffer management) to draw directly to the Linux VT. The Nvidia drivers don't implement that API, the API that both AMD and Intel drivers support. It very much IS an Nvidia problem and not the other way around. Nvidia tried to convince all the Wayland developers to use EGLStreams instead but no other drivers use(or even support) that API, everyone agreed on GBM except Nvidia. That's not Wayland's problem.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Iirc Nvidia also skipped the initial meetings that AMD and Intel attended, where it was decided they would move forward with GBM

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago (21 children)

😂 But X is a very old spaghetti code from the 80s and is a security nightmare. I use X, btw!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Easy, because Cinnamon is on X. When Cinnamon is on Wayland, so will I (and when I don't have an Nvidia GPU, I guess).

[–] namingthingsiseasy 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Same here. Sure, KDE and Gnome may have great Wayland support by now, but what about other DEs? The situation in XFCE seems to be pretty grim:

It is not clear yet which Xfce release will target a complete Xfce Wayland transition (or if such a transition will happen at all).

MATE seems to have piecemeal support. No idea what the status of LXDE/LXQT are. And there are plenty of other window managers that don't have the manpower to support wayland either.

The deprecation of X is going to leave a lot of dead software in its wake.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, people like to pretend KDE and Gnome are the only options. I dislike both. Cinnamon is the (unintended?) spiritual successor to the last Gnome I liked, which is Gnome 2.

[–] dukk 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It’s very much intended. Cinnamon was forked from GNOME 3 when it was released. It was intended to preserve the old GNOME 2 layout, but ended up evolving into the Cinnamon we know today.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

No Barrier for Wayland. :(

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I actually quite like wayland

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Insert comment about the window icon protocol here

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm confused, wayland.social is just another mastodon instance, yes? EDIT: Oh presumably it's a joke

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

It's a Linux joke. Basically, the X display server is an unmaintainable mess, so it is being phased out in favor of Wayland.

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