this post was submitted on 22 Dec 2023
269 points (98.2% liked)

News

23014 readers
7 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

The Orlando Sentinel published a two-page print spread Thursday listing 673 books that have been removed from classrooms in Orange County in 2023 due to fears they violate the state’s new laws banning “sexual conduct” from public schools.

Teachers with any of the 673 books on their classroom shelves have been instructed by the school district to remove them, the newspaper said, also noting that the Orange County Public Schools (OCPS) staff will review the list of rejected books once again, so it’s possible the books will eventually be returned to the classroom. The district began compiling the list over the summer.

The list stems from two Florida laws signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), who is also running for president. They require media specialists to review books in libraries and classrooms, and to exclude books that include sexually lewd material or pornography. The legislation also aims to give parents greater ability to raise objections to their children’s education.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A mass reading would be a cool protest tactic. Get hundreds of kids hundreds of copies of banned books. Have them sit outside a state legislature - clogging up traffic to and from the building as they read to themselves. Have extra books on hand to give out to people trying to get through, while encouraging them to just sit and read for a bit.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

They’ll just pass laws making it legal to run over kids if it’s making you late to work.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (4 children)

They banned Brave New World.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't surprise me if they also banned fahrenheit 451

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

they see that one as a utopian story

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

They see that one as the objective.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Take your soma. There's obviously no fuckery going on here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

My hot take here is that Brave New World shouldn't be read by high schoolers because it's too complex for most high schoolers.

The book is most definitely not about how "bread and circuses" distract people from an encroaching dystopian hellstate and the number of grown-ass adults I see parroting that is too damn high. See the other comment to your post.

It's instead about how a lack of agency from ongoing institutions already paves the way for dystopian hellstates, and the industrialization of that loss of agency is the core concept discussed in the first chapter. That's why they just ship the main character off to an island with the other people who have figured things out - the dystopia is such that the machine breaks immediately if anyone questions it, so they just let those people go live how they wish.

It shouldn't be banned though, because no books should ever be banned.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That's an even dumber reason to ban that book.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

Right, no argument there whatsoever. Banning any book is dumb, full stop. But it is indeed a personal annoyance of mine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That one absolutely shocks me.

It’s way too on the nose.

I bet 1984 is not banned without a hint of irony though.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When a library expels a book of mine and leaves an unexpurgated Bible lying around where unprotected youth and age can get hold of it, the deep unconscious irony of it delights me and doesn't anger me.

-Mark Twain

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah I was going to say Mark Twain would probably think it's funny that Florida is banned his books.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (15 children)

If I was a kid right now, the absolute first thing I'd wanna do is read all of these books. These dipshits made sex even more alluring by trying to hide it entirely from kids.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My 16 year old has done that. He finds a book that's banned, takes it out of the library (either physical copy, eBook, or audiobook) and then reads it. While doing so, he keeps an eye out for why it was banned.

He noted that one book was banned because one page describes a sexual encounter. It was about 3 lines and wasn't extremely graphic. It just got the point to the reader that an event happened and then the book moved on. But apparently any mention of sex even existing is enough for a book to get banned.

Unless, it's the Bible, of course. Then you can have daughters sleeping with their fathers and it's all good for kids to read!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

You have a cool kid. All these things Republicans act like they're going to stop will just become bigger "issues" because of their actions. History is full of lessons about this type of thing but honestly your 16 year old probably absorbed much more of those lessons than every Republican alive

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

They didn't do this banning sooner because the technology didn't exist to easily keyword search for the words "boobs" and "gay". These fascist idiots couldn't sit and read a book for the life of them, let alone consider the context or breadth of potentially "explicit" sections of prose (they also probably think "prose"is some sort of lgbtq slang term because it contains the word rose). You'll probably find that many of these witch hunts actual burn books that do things like mention "race" in the context of a sporting competition, but something that they ignorantly mistake for discussion of a person's race and assume bad :(

load more comments (14 replies)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

Sounds more like conservative thinking is so shitty they have to ignore the thinking part entirely for people to follow it

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What on earth is wrong with Where The Wild Things Are? Sure it's got some monsters in it but so does Florida. It's mostly a book about friendship.

Seriously it's like Texas and Florida are having an idiot contest to see who can be the bigger bunch of lunatics.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A book that teaches it's okay to be friends with those different than you doesn't jive with the in-group mentality of Conservatives. After all, if you did so, you might find that gasp! they are people too!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I suspect it has more to do with the author than the content of the book. What kind of Floridian would you be raising if there's a chance they might admire a gay Jew?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

I bet many of these removed books won't be noticed if they were let alone. People overestimate the knowledge of other people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Tried to read the list but I failed:

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Florida, home of the dumbass

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Nazi Moms Against Liberty

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Free Speech!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Gee it's almost like we need some goddamn freeze peach in the place.

It's shit that shitty people say shitty things, and the urge to stop them from doing so is understandable.

But freedom of speech - as a general principle, not just the legal interpretation of the US constitutional amendment - saves us from a lot worse.

Once you start poking holes in it, you start getting this kind of bullshit: being prevented from saying good things, or from calling out shitty things.

What was absolute has become negotiable, and shitty people don't negotiate in bad faith; almost by definition, they have fewer scruples than you., and will ruthlessly and cynically exploit any edge they can lever up.

They will abuse their power against you,, while giving themselves a free ride. That's why it always had to be a seamless, all-encompassing 'no, fuck off', no matter what the provocation.

But now -

Fools. God damn fools.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

If only. I'd be rich.

load more comments
view more: next ›