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I'm joking with the meme, but it's an interesting how plot armor unintentionally places value on people's lives in fiction.

It's telling that censorship laws decide who it is and isn't acceptable to kill. Just thinking about violence against sentient robots and how that's normalized in things like Samurai Jack.

Like we know the robot has thoughts and feelings, like they'll try to run to save themselves or plead for mercy, but a character can still heroic after essentially killing a non-human who's acting like how we understand humans.

I feel like there's something dangerous in how easily we can depict appropriate targets of violence. Not just robots, but anybody deemed as less than human are allowed to be more put at risk.

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Unnamed people are killed in superhero fights all the time. But unless they are of a class of characters like protagonists, they are collateral damage at best.

I think Plot Armor as a trope needs more class consciousness and awareness around how deciding who gets to be protected is often an unconscious political belief.

What about you though? Any tropes in media you'd like to see explored more or written with a leftist understanding?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Basing a fantasy culture off of a real-life culture. Or even worse, basing a fantasy race off of a real-life culture - that's just dehumanization. It's very common, it's very problematic, and it's a remnant of racist 20th century fantasy. The Forgotten Realms has to be destroyed, sorry. Genshin Impact as well.

If you're going to be using a real-life culture, you need to seriously know your stuff and have respect for the culture you're writing about (this is why Liyue is good and Sumeru is racist trash, for instance). I'd say to most people that if you want to use someone else's culture cause it's cool, consider worldbuilding something unique instead and save us all a headache.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What's really problematic is when they just have race wars in there, as a thing, and it's not examined at all. For all the things BG3 does well, it treats the goblins as completely disposable even within the narrative itself. There's deep gnome characters who live on the surface in Baldur's Gate, but every single goblin is a football hooligan that eats people and can't read. All they're good for is being slaughtered by the PC or slaughtering all the Tieflings at the grove.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

but every single goblin is a football hooligan that eats people and can't read. All they're good for is being slaughtered by the PC or slaughtering all the Tieflings at the grove.

Before I knew what The Absolute was, the goblin woman in the cage had my sympathy and I sincerely wanted to find out what she was talking about and set her free because leaving her in there to be inevitably killed just seemed pointlessly cruel.

I'm not saying The Absolute had to be some wholesome goblin leftist revolutionary front that would overthrow the rich assholes of Waterdeep or something, but the single note "these are ugly bad people that do bad things" messaging was really, really lazy.

Pathfinder goblins have a lot more nuance even while still being generally unruly and seen in an ungenerous light.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Wild that BG3 literally removed alignments and still made 99.9% of golbins evil

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I hate seeing things like, "the royal court: words are sharper than daggers here and you must be more alert than on any battlefield." I like political intrigue, so I get it. But I'm 90% certain most aristocracy was people with seven toes on each foot from decades of inbreeding going to court to decide which son was going to marry their 13 year old first cousin.

I'd like to see it subverted from a left wing perspective.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I hate seeing things like, "the royal court: words are sharper than daggers here and you must be more alert than on any battlefield."

I'd like to see it subverted from a left wing perspective.

Basically a fantasy wine cave with fantasy wine liberals congratulating themselves for performative smartness.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don't ever need to read another story where the protagonist is seemingly of humble origins but is secretly a VERY SPECIAL person, perhaps even the one FORETOLD BY PROPHECY

If it wasn't a compelling basis for a story, it wouldn't be used so much. But after the first thousand stories like that it's enough already

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Just stay the hell away from time travel. It can be neat and thought provoking when done with enough thought put into it as a central conceit, but more often it's just a narrative ass-pull that causes more problems than it solves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

One of the most ruinously widespread propaganda messages is "changing society somewhat is hard and the people that try may have a point but go too far therefore trust in the status quo warriors to set things as good as they can be."

It's in capeshit of course, but it's also pretty much everywhere else, including P R E S T I G E T V trash, showing anyone that isn't a cynical murderfucker as a fool, or worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

i'm pretty much done with any story about restoring the "correct" monarchy. be a bunch of communes with a defense pact or something like damn

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There are two classes of tropes for me: the ones which serve as actual building blocks of worldbuilding and storytelling, and the ones which are cultural biases.

The former are just the usual patterns retold throughout history, like the hero's journey. They can seem boring, but it's because they are generic and need to be localized to the fictional world or a culture's mythology. Arguably, the way we identify these involves bias, eg. the hero's journey is mostly based on Indo-European mythology. But I hope my point can still be made.

The latter category are the tropes informed by biases. Or to put it another way, when you can create any possible world or write whatever story, why is it just medieval Anglo shit over and over? Ever notice how most fantasy maps are left-justified? Even hard worldbuilders who do all that meteorological calculation shit can't perceive a linguistic reality beyond the European sprachbund.

It's like learning the etymology of a word. Sometimes you find out the way we use words today is very weird, and we shouldn't assume it applies across all time and traditions ("man" used to be gender neutral, for example). Except some core words eg. "to be," "to go," "to come" are relatively very stable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Omg I thought I was the one going crazy telling people of the implicit racism in LotR or other fantasy works!

I mean "horde" comes from the Turkish word "ordu" meaning army and was used to describe the ottoman ordu/horde. Is it then a coincidence that the orcish horde are often depicted wielding scimitars and the elves straightswords?

Why is mordor placed in the exact position as anatolia on the map? Rectangular in shape with near insurmountable geological features as its borders???

edit: I just took a look at the map for the first time in years and omg, minas morgul (once a gondor city) is so clearly gallipoli/troy coded, the black gates guarding the "main entrance" (who fell to mordor because of a plague in gondor) for Istanbul, the misty mountains the alps and the shire being obviously england doesn't even need to be mentioned

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The geography is specifically based on earth's, because it's meant to be set in the distant past of our irl earth when there was still magic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It is called Middle Earth