this post was submitted on 24 Nov 2023
78 points (92.4% liked)

Programming

17508 readers
9 users here now

Welcome to the main community in programming.dev! Feel free to post anything relating to programming here!

Cross posting is strongly encouraged in the instance. If you feel your post or another person's post makes sense in another community cross post into it.

Hope you enjoy the instance!

Rules

Rules

  • Follow the programming.dev instance rules
  • Keep content related to programming in some way
  • If you're posting long videos try to add in some form of tldr for those who don't want to watch videos

Wormhole

Follow the wormhole through a path of communities [email protected]



founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
78
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by ruffsl to c/programming
 

Have you ever wondered how NASA updates Voyager's software from 15 billion miles away? Or how Voyager's memories are stored? In this video, we dive deeper into the incredible story of how a small team of engineers managed to keep Voyager alive, as well as how NASA could perform a software update on a computer that's been cruising through space for almost half a century.

top 8 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Redkey 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is a short, interesting video, but there's really nothing here for any competent programmer, even a fresh graduate. It turns out they they update the software by sending the update by radio (/s). The video hardly goes any deeper than that, and also makes a couple of very minor layman-level flubs.

There is a preservation effort for the old NASA computing hardware from the missions in the 50s and 60s, and you can find videos about it on YouTube. They go into much more detail without requiring much prior knowledge about specific technologies from the period. Here's one I watched recently about the ROM and RAM used in some Apollo missions: https://youtu.be/hckwxq8rnr0?si=EKiLO-ZpQnJa-TQn

One thing that struck me about the video was how the writers expressed surprise that it was still working and also so adaptable. And my thought was, "Well, yeah, it was designed by people who knew what they were doing, with a good budget, lead by managers whose goal was to make excellent equipment, rather than maximize short-term profits."

[–] lysdexic 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(...) there’s really nothing here for any competent programmer, even a fresh graduate. It turns out they they update the software by sending the update by radio.

How they send the payload is hardly the hard part of applying a software update. The hard part is stuff that you need to do after you have the payload: ensure the payload is valid, have the infrastructure in place to roll it out without bricking the hardware, be able to roll back faulty changes if some problem occurs after rolling stuff out, etc.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that this stuff is challenging for the majority of competent programmers out there, and they have the luxury of falling back to telling users to reboot or reinstall the app.

[–] Redkey 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I completely agree. And the video didn't discuss how any of that actually happens, except to say that they send the update over radio, and to give a brief description of how the storage system on Voyager works (physically, not logically). That's what I meant by "really nothing here", "here" meaning "in the video", not "in how the Voyager probe works and updates are carried out".

That next line, "It turns out they they update the software by sending the update by radio," was meant to be a bit sarcastic, but I know that isn't obvious in text, so I've added a signifier.

[–] ruffsl 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I was thinking of cross posting this to a Fortran community, but it looks like we don't yet have one.

[–] lysdexic 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was thinking of cross posting this to a Fortran community, but it looks like we don’t yet have one.

I'm sure everyone is still in comp.lang.fortran telling all kids to get off their lawns.

[–] AdmiralShat 5 points 1 year ago

Who knew 4chan had it's own programming language

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

but it looks like we don't yet have one.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

[–] ruffsl 2 points 1 year ago

The only experience I have with working with Fortran would be setting up gfortran when building SciPy from source, and perusing its codebase to see how it's FFT functions were so optimized. Not enough to diligently mod I'm afraid.