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[–] [email protected] 471 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I’ve often wondered what new and innovative ways Microsoft could find to make my computer even less likely to do what I want.

[–] [email protected] 161 points 1 year ago (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Bro, remember when VR was all the rage? EVERYTHING was pushing VR, so much so ~~Facebook~~ Meta went all in on it.

Now it's a fucking novelty at best.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I think VR and all these AI assistants are similarly in that they’re in their infancy stages and there’s gonna be a ton of growing pains before they’re useful enough to be common, but someday they will have their place

That’s my thoughts on the matter at least

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[–] [email protected] 233 points 1 year ago (10 children)

This might just be the push I need to switch to Linux desktop.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Do it. With proton the last argument for me to use windows is gone (gaming).

[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Well, it's not GONE. There are still plenty of games that won't run well on Linux, or they won't allow online multiplayer because their anti-cheat software is restricted to Windows. But that number is getting smaller every day.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago

But there are so very many games that do work. That those that do not, i can easily ignore.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

[5 years later]

"it wasn't"

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I spent the last ~10 days "playing" with many distros, including testing some current games, and I am literally right now backing up my files and about to reformat my main PC to linux (full drive, no dual). This is after only having experience with copy-paste Raspberry PI guides for my pi-hole.

Don't totally believe "oh it's so easy, nothing to configure" - those people are lying, especially if you've not used Linux before. But several flavors of Ubuntu are quite pleasant, and I appear to have found a home with PopOS. I can't find anything that "doesn't work", and the worst fixes were just quick searches for help. PopOS won due to nvidia compatibility and a nice, snappy desktop. It also was the fastest in overall reformat cycle time. My wife's computer is still Windows, if I do have any microsoft emergencies.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Microsoft may replace the Start button with the Copilot AI in Windows 12

Yeah, they could also replace the start button with a shit emoji. But there's no indication at all anybody wants to do any of that because they're not idiots. You only said that so people visit your shitty website. In fact, not even the quote you reference for your article suggests any plans of replacing the start button whatsoever:

“The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”

Fuck clickbait headlines and fuck websites bending any and all content to the SEO voodoo.

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Well in that case I might replace windows 12 with not using windows 12

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

Im 70% sure I'm replacing wins 11 with Linux already so join us

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I love this idea. The reason people continue using Windows is because they're used to it. Messing with the Start button is going to piss off even the most patient users. Not to mention it'll be an absolute nightmare for any IT department. Just imagine an army of Karens calling your hotline first thing on Monday morning, yelling at you because you took away the Start button. It'll make Windows 8 look like a huge success.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They already fucked with start menu and search and it's already a problem for IT. I can't find any app I got installed unless I spell it out right, and even then it might work with just 3/8 letters in but no further.

Sometimes I just click through program files cause it's faster.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So now I can use an AI to find notepad++ on bing?

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Is this like the previous theory that Windows 12 would be subscription based?

“The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”

Saying "copilot is like the start button" is not saying "copilot will replace the start button", the article is dishonest clickbait and stupid.

This is just MS taking another kick at Cortana, this time powered by LLM generative AI.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Come, yer tired souls, to the Kingdom of Torvalds.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)
  • Start menu is whatever you want it to be
  • Search works
  • No ads
  • No spyware
  • No drivers to install (except Nvidia)
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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I only have one machine that's still running Windows. This would convince me to finally make that zero.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

Same bro. Linux gaming is getting better and better every day. That's my last hurdle.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

pretend that you're my late grandma, whom I miss a lot. her favourite pastime at this time of the day was deleting the C:/system32 directory.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I too, think the Windows start menu is way too responsive and not buggy enough. /s

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Windows 10 is my last windows. When i upgrade my destop i'm going Mint

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hope I can ride the 10 wave as long as I rode XP.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All the "X company may/could/might" and "X plans on this" news feel like they're just feeling for a reaction from the public to see what they can and can't get away with. If it gets too much push back, they just put it on the shelf and boil the frogs for longer before trying again, like with Google and WEI. It's tiring. Stop being evil you corpo fucks.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Microsoft why are you trying to pull an Elon and destroy your own brand, stop that -- what, after all, has a dedicated keyboard key on Windows keyboards, and has for decades?

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every day we stray closer to Linux.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Ahhhh finally time to give Linux a try

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This could be fine if it didn't immediately send all of your data to the internet.

But as is, fuck that and fuck you Microsoft.

Windows told me I don't have permission to do something. On my computer. As an administrator. Using the command line.

Fuck Windows, fuck Microsoft and their controlling asses, and fuck co-pilot and Open AI for contributing to artificial intelligence not only being closed source and proprietary, but encouraging the United States government to make it literally illegal to do it on the open source field as well.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

“….So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot”

What does that mean to me, if I just want to open notepad? How to I express my intent, exactly? Through interpretive dance?

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And I've been slowly replacing windows with Linux since the arrival of Windows 10.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This type of information, encourages me to move quickly to a linux distro of choice.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"It seems you wanted to start an application, let me guess which one you want instead of just letting you proceed with that"

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"In the meantime please watch this 15 second candy crush ad while your program starts up. Join windows 12 Premium+ starting 10.99/month today to reduce ads to one per hour"

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How many times has Windows tried to kill off the start menu!? I can think of at least three:

  • Windows 8
  • Windows 10's funky live tiles thing (by default).
  • This strange Windows 12 AI junk
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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Only thing I use Start button for is to turn off the PC. The search is unusable and all shortcuts are in my task bar anyways.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm not a Microsoft fan by any means but I've not had any real issues with Start menu searching for well over five years.

I just use it to search for the program I want to launch and it's done that pretty fluidly. To the point where that's basically all the start menu is for me. If they switch it to copilot without a way to disable it then I'll probably permanently switch over to Linux when it's time for an OS rebuild.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because that went well a couple of times lol

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile in the category of "useless bullshit nobody asked for" we have Microsoft. Again.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is FUD. AI integration is a given, but I doubt they would outright axe the start button unless they plan to fundamentally change the Windows UX design language.

If they do, expect it to go the way of Windows 8.0 real fast.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”

I like to put down M$ when I can, but I don't think replacing the start button is the exact plan here. I think he's just using it as a comparison.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I might replace Microsoft with Linux in Windows 12

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I am this close to go all linux, Microsoft. don't tempt me. only thing that make use windows is gaming and that too is slipping away because of steam

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They won't. They do however want to stay relevant and will float things like this just to create talk about Microsoft and Windows.

You know what's really interesting to talk about? How fast it was for me to setup Chimeraos on a PC with an Intel GPU and hook it up to my tv and Xbox wireless controller USB dongle.... First boot and I login to Steam and BAM! Grab that controller. Time for couch gaming

Windows is nowhere near that good or easy as a game station for coach gaming.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“Replace the start button”

"Hey, I've seen this one."

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Time to experiment with Linux again. Still haven't settled on a distro that I liked 100%.

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