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Reddit perma-banning account promoting Lemmy has Streisand effect (news.ycombinator.com)
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As Reddit's enshittification reaches new heights their attempts to suppress attention for alternatives, like federated Lemmy, has the opposite effect as this Hacker News discussion shows.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Reading criticisms of Lemmy from Reddit and other platforms like HackerNews reminds me of reading criticisms of Reddit from Digg back in 2007-2010, except they're more based on architecture instead of "it looks ugly".

Now there are things that will turn away users. There's obviously a strong leftist culture here, there are less users so less content, and obviously federation is a stumbling block for many people.

But I really think that's ok similar to what people are saying in that Hacker News thread. I wouldn't want all of Reddit to come over, and I think it's better for the culture and growth here to get a self selected trickle/stream of users instead of a deluge.

I don't think Lemmy will necessarily have the same issues as Mastodon because Twitter/Mastodon requires you to know people or know accounts to follow to be useful. Lemmy just requires communities you're interested in and a critical mass of users to drive posting and engagement. We're already seeing greater activity as more users arrive

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That second comment by goplayoutside says it well: "Maybe the modest technical hurdles are a feature, not a bug."

I think it is a feature, and the same is true for Mastodon and the Fediverse as a whole, imho.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The strong leftist culture is a plus. I know I'm not going to get flooded with nazi shit like so many of the prior iterations of the reddit exodus (e.g. voat).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's obviously a strong leftist culture here

That depends on what instance you create an user on. For example, Lemmygrad.ml and Lemmy.ml are not the same thing, despite both belonging to Lemmy. The issues I see are having a tankie culture, and not having more points of view.

There are less users so less content

That's something we can help with, although it's not so easy. I mean, the users that are already here, we can create more content and interact more with each other, so eventually more users will come. It can be boring and tiring, but it's not impossible.

Federation is a stumbling block for many people

That's something absolutely new for the vast majority of people. I felt myself confused the first time I joined the fediverse too. But after some time, I felt myself less confused. Some clarifications, tutorials and support can do the real trick.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have to hope that main instances will stop federating Lemmygrad at some point. There's no place, IMO, for genocide denial/affirmation and authoritarian extremism on platforms like these. Or any platforms.

Edit: Seems this is unfortunately unlikely as the lemmy.ml instance appears to be moderated by a genocide denier and authoritarian.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The most disturbing thing I've seen is the evidence that Lemmy.ml is controlled by a genocide-supporting red fascist/third positionists. If that's true, its a massive issue and makes the platform hard to trust.

Very open to learning that this isn't true, if it isn't.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's the source on that? That's a pretty big accusation but I'd certainly want to know if it's true.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And even if it were true, there are other instances. The only reason I'm on lemmy.ml myself is because the one that was recommended to me first was offline when I tried it, I could move somewhere else if this turns out to be true.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

What concerns me just now is whether join-lemmy the website is controlled by them or not. So far I don't know if it is- But if the entry points are guarded by genocide-supporting (not denying) left-fascists, then that does pose a significant issues.

BTW, these ifs I'm using aren't rhetoric devices. I'm not stating this as fact. There seems to be indicators of concern- Is what I'm saying.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Marxist-Leninists are not radical leftists. Do you even know what socialism is (no do not parrot the economics definition)? Do you know how many divisions exist between socialist left? What makes you such a pompous and loud person to talk on the subject, when you know nothing about such a deep subject? Westerners are so arrogant, intellectually disgusting and unhinged and do not know when to shut up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very open to learning that this isn’t true, if it isn’t.

That's not how this works. If you're going to make serous accusations like that, the onus is on you to provide evidence to support them.

FWIW, I have no particular loyalty to lemmy.ml, I just joined the first instance I saw.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are a wrecker who is trying to destroy lemmy. You will not succeed. Go back to 4chan where someone might believe your weird conspiracy theories.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

I know what he is. There used to be a person like this on Lemmy probably 2 years ago, who I shut down. He left with a vow to "destroy Lemmy". There are some unhinged dumpster fires like this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe you're confusing with lemmygrad?

I'd like to read more on this, if true

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Marxist-Leninists are not radical leftists. Do you even know what socialism is (no do not parrot the economics definition)? Do you know how many divisions exist between socialist left? What makes you such a pompous and loud person to talk on the subject, when you know nothing about such a deep subject? Westerners are so arrogant, intellectually disgusting and unhinged and do not know when to shut up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow the vitriol, you’re the one assuming the worst in someone else here.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Bother someone else, internet champ. Or go learn about communism instead of eating bullshit cooked up by Washington.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

There is nothing like this even on Lemmygrad. People there do not believe, they prefer dissecting through Cold War parroting. Liberals being Cold War McCarthyist parrots is a common phenomenon and should not be surprising. They are useful idiots.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Have you ever considered analysing the TV news you consumed from western propaganda news outlets regarding "communism"? Or is it just parroting without criticising the source of "communism bad" propaganda, or trying to self criticise your position? Have you ever considered what is critical thinking, or does it feel nice to have trolling privileges while you relax in your gaming chair slinging shit on leftists?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not like there's not a strong leftist culture on reddit either so I don't really see that as a problem unique to Lemmy. If Lemmy can provide a centralized-like decentralized platform, I think it can succeed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There isn't at all. Reddit is liberal at the very best and even then it's mostly Obama liberal, which is center right outside the most conservative parts of the world.

The leftist communities are much smaller, easily ignored, and often ridiculed in the mainstream subreddits. The gaming spaces complain about "wokeness" and criticisms of female representations among others. Thinly veiled racism and explicit transphobia abounds.

In contrast, Lemmy is full of anarchists, communists, socialists, and other anti capitalist. It has been and remains a dominantly leftist community.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm here because they banned it. Figure if they are threatened by lemmy it must be good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hilarious that a #HackerNews top voted comment on a post wrt #Reddit censoring mentions of #Lemmy effectively argues that the latter is "too geeky and hard to use" and that the former two won't be displaced because they're well known and easy to approach.

These people have ZERO self awareness. Never mind understanding about the legacy of their forums.

@humanetech

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

@osma @humanetech the same will happen with kbin, even tho its interface is hyper similar to reddit. pretty sure that's gonna be another case of "too geeky, unusable, unstable, useless, sh!tty reddit ripoff and bad".

the "useless", as one guy said (not on here) when i mentioned lemmy: "Another sh*tty reddit ripoff? Useless" is very funny

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I saw a similar thread on Reddit itself. They had several sources that claimed mastodon had "failed to convert Twitter users", and therefore the fediverse was a waste of time and would never catch on. I just chuckled because the longer they stay away, the better the fediverse will be (for me).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@DodoTheDev Absurdly hilarious. Thank you, saving this for later use

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's a lovely news. Let them bleed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I was made aware of lemmy because of this. Joined.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy structure very anarchist and I like it