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[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We want teachers to be teaching and not having to waste time measuring a girl’s shirt or making a girl feel uncomfortable,” Shultz said.

Good because policing what girls wear stems from this fucked idea that boys have no sexual self control or responsibility for same and that women thus have to take responsibility for it via modesty.

So with those idiotic notions, rape victims get blamed for appearance, consent doesn't enter the conversation, rapey boys are "boys being boys", and similar awful shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

yeah wtf that makes no sense

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

From the article:

As a dad, that’s very concerned about my children ....

I may disagree with it, but his kids aren't mine, so he, as the parent, he can prevent his daughters from owning that offending clothing.

...as well as everyone else’s kids in the district,

And here's where it goes off the rails. Why don't you keep your own parenting in your house instead of your neighbor's house, eh? Are you also going to decide what books other parent's kids read? How about what religious beliefs (if any) other parent's kids follow? None of that is your business. If other parents are okay with their kids dressing that way you shouldn't get a say on that.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Maybe focus on parenting your own child instead of everyone's.

Also does this guy have a humiliation fetish?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because kids interact with each other at school. The whole point of rules is to affect social interaction, to shape how people’s behavior is able to affect others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Because kids interact with each other at school. The whole point of rules is to affect social interaction, to shape how people’s behavior is able to affect others.

A parent choosing to use public schools doesn't get 100% control over what their child is exposed to. That "kids interact with others at school" is the point where the parents teaching in their child needs to hold up when the parent isn't there. I would think that is a large part of raising children. A parent knows as some point in the future their child will be an adult, and out of the control of the parents. Interaction with other kids at public schools is where that first is encountered.

If a parent demands 100% control of the children 24/7/365, then the choice is home schooling, and hopefully the child can afford good therapists when they are an adult to undo that damage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Lunatic pulls stupid stunt to get his way, policy voted affirmative regardless.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If only any of these parents cared about supporting teachers and their kids actually learning.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

also, none of the traumatic things that happened to me in my adolescence were based around the clothes any of us were wearing.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sometimes my daughter wants to go to school in something too revealing.

We tell her to change because we're her parents and that's called parenting. We don't need the school to tell her what to wear.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

Nobody's concerned with what their own children are wearing. They're concerned that they might be exposed to abdomen skin (the horror!) because of what someone else's child is wearing.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“As a board we voted to ultimately let parents and families decide what is appropriate for them. It is the parents and family’s choice and as long as it doesn’t disrupt the school day, it would be a non-issue.”

I was not expecting this level of common sense from an Arizona school board. Good on them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Gilbert, AZ also has an incredibly high Mormon population. The Mormon churches (or whatever they call the smaller satellite buildings that aren't temples) are like Starbucks, one on nearly every corner. This must not be one of their school boards.

To be fair though, it's also a very safe, clean, and well maintained suburb. Probably the overall best family friendly city in the entire Phoenix metro.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Mormon churches (or whatever they call the smaller satellite buildings that aren’t temples)

They're called a chapel building or chapels, of which 2-4 congregations (named wards) share. And then a collection of wards are organized into a stake, and they share a bigger building named a stake center for periodic meetings and events together.

And just a heads up, the current "Mormon" prophet has decreed that the moniker "Mormon" has fallen out of favor, and instead should be called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints", the full name (there's some shorter names in that link). So if you see people down voting you, it's probably due to that.

So it's not longer the "Mormon prophet", it's the "the prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints". And it's no longer "he's a Mormon", it's "he's a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints". And it's no longer the "Mormon missionaries", it's "a missionary of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints".

I think that's silly, and I believe once there's a new prophet again, the word "Mormon" will be ok. But I guess time will tell!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fuck any of the assholes downvoting you, that was a good response, and thanks. I knew they were called something else, but I couldn't remember what.

As far the LDS vs Mormon, I'm aware, but unfortunately the Missionaries don't come to my house anymore to talk about the prophet, or anything else. They used to come, like alot, like all the time, it was kinda odd. But when I started providing them copies of Letter to a CES Director, well, they havent been back in years.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His argument is that he looks like a fool dressed like that, so everyone who dresses like that looks like a fool? Weird thinking.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Kind of tangential but towards the end of HS we had this ongoing trend of wearing costumes to school every wednesday. Some of the class participated more often than others, some (including me) barely participated at all.

There was one week where everyone was determined to participate though, because we had planned for boys to go dressed as girls and vice-versa. I still didn't really care to join them but some friends of mine said they'd lend me some of their clothes and makeup so I'd have no excuse to not participate.

What I didn't anticipate is that they'd dress me up just like the guy in the pic, only difference being that I'm underweight, not overweight. Still looked like a fool though, but that was part of the fun, not some pseudo political statement.

Anyways, tangent over.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought this was going to turn into an egg_irl comment

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Boys and girls used to cross dress for fun without it having to be a statement

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The statement was "look at how funny it is to wear clothes of the wrong gender. Isn't it hilarious that a woman could be wearing pants?! Hahahaha"

Yeah. No thanks

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope you find some mental peace some day. It must be exhausting to have so many sticks up your butt.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

So you're saying in the 90s, the "let's all crossdress at school" was all about normalizing clothing regardless of gender, being inclusive of people's gender and clothing choices, and and destigmatizing gender non confirming people? It wasn't because the idea of a boy in a skirt was a concept that should me mocked and thought of as a joke?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I currently work in a school, and it can be very awkward walking up steps when students have incredibly short shorts, skirts, dresses, ect. The amount of underage skin (glutes, a little too much cleavage, and male nipples with loose tank tops) genuinely makes me feel uncomfortable and it's not like I'm trying to see anything. There is no one solution to make everybody happy, and I don't think uniforms are great or terrible, but I think it would always be better to air on the side of caution and establish standards/ dress codes. Almost every profession has standards and dress codes too, so I don't see what's wrong with trying to get students in the habit, at least in highschool when they start getting into the work field. Idk, disagree with me if you want, but I think this is reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why can't we normalize open communication, instead of authoritarian nonsense. Rules systems are unnecessarily demeaning and oppressive. It should be perfectly normal for a teacher to say, "hey I feel a little bit uncomfortable about what you are wearing." The school staff should be held to a much higher standard than the students, where if they are excessive about their opinions it should be addressed long before students. IMO the biggest problem in schools is a lack of reason and respect for students as real people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I will also say, when I worked at a highschool a few years ago (I'm now middle school) a male teacher did pipe up about a student whose skirt was so short that he could see their underwear and buttocks and the parents called him a pedophile for trying to, "Look at their daughter," however, he only complained because he was uncomfortable. A pedophile probably wouldn't have said anything. Like I said, I don't think there is going to be any one size solution. It's pretty annoying. I do agree, school staff should be held to a high standard, but just in general. Teaching is a profession and we should present ourselves as professionals. I'm sorry if your experience with schools made you feel like teachers don't care about students as real people. In my experience, being on staff at the district I went to, all the teachers I work with spent years in school learning how to help because they genuinely care for the kids.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Can't parents just talk to their children about how to dress?

I feel like that's a simpler solution and this way the school can focus on teaching.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I hope someone called the police. Someone stole that poor man's ass.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It can't be that slow of a news day in... oh. Fox. A local Fox station. Of course they'd want to take antics like this from Arizona and put them on the news in Oregon where they're definitely relevant. Bullshit like this is why you can't believe the folk who claim these local fox affiliates are unbiased.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Every local TV News station is likely to be conservative, no matter which broadcaster they are affiliated with. Sinclair, Hearst, Scripps, etc, they are all right wing, even by American standards.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Looking good dude! Slay king

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

it's crazy that they're making a crop top and short shorts mandatory dress code for all students

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, police what my children are wearing for me. Maybe the extra clothes will stop the bullets.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah, there's always that. America's so fucking scary man...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And what state is this in?

One where they're banning books and critical race theory even if critical race theory is a college course?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He was against letting girls show their bellies because it would 'distract the boys' or some other bullshit that goes right along with the book burning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The freedom with which adult men will voluntarily say they think that 12yr old over there is too sexy for anyone to get any work done. The implication that they're just physically unable to police themselves in the presence of an uncovered elbow and need outside help. If thy right eye offend thee.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Denial. Seriously tho it's in Arizona where the typical summer temp is around 165f

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Too many commenters here think dress codes are all about "boys have no self control so girls should suffer".

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

We are like teenagers trying to break every single rule forgetting why they are in place .

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"“The fact that we have adults advocating for children to have less clothing on is absurd to me,” she said."

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

But they're not? They're advocating for children to not be forced to wear as much clothing, which isn't quite the same.

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks 1 points 1 year ago

It's, uh, really hot in Arizona?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dress code is a great idea and is a way to set standards.

People need to have more respect for themselves and for society.

But we just going down a pit of degradation so happy my country still has some self respect with shirts and ties.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Shirts and ties? How bourgeois. In MY country we still wear ceremonial full plate mail armor.