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Article about the shocking amount of waste of resources in Florida, despite Florida being one of the places most vulnerable to climate change

I recently had a 3 week holiday in Florida with my family. My 17 year old son is interested in rocketry and my wife is interested in wildlife. We got to see plenty of both and had a great time. There is a lot to like about America and Americans. But the sheer waste of resources on show everywhere was pretty shocking. In Europe we absolutely aren’t doing enough to protect the environment and avert the impending climate catastrophe (I flew to Florida and drove a car there, so I am no environmental saint myself). In Florida they don’t appear to be even trying.

Let’s start with plastic. Everything seems to be made of plastic, wrapped in plastic or both. This is a hotel breakfast for the 3 of us. That is a serious amount of plastic.

Plastic cutlery is the order of the day. And even the plastic cutlery is individually wrapped in plastic! The very cheapest hotels in the UK give you metal cutlery.

Apples were individually wrapped in plastic.

We even saw oranges wrapped in plastic. Nature already provided oranges with their own wrapper! I don’t remember the plastic issue being as bad when I travelled through Wyoming, Utah and Colorado in 1999. Maybe it’s a hangover from COVID?

And then there are the cars. We did a quick informal survey and over half the vehicles on the road were massive SUVs and even more massive pickup trucks, with macho names like ‘Raptor’ and ‘Titan’. The very low tax on petrol/gas (by European standards) makes this possible. These pickup trucks are clearly being used mostly by people from the suburbs who do not need a huge pickup truck. We hired a ‘mid-size’ (but big by European standards) SUV ourselves as, in a previous trip, we had found it quite intimidating to drive a European sized saloon car on American roads.

The front of these pick-up trucks is so high that a pedestrian hit by one is definitely going under, rather than over. Especially the ridiculous ‘raised’ pickup trucks, which are very common.

Not that there are many pedestrians in Florida, of course. You are expected to have a car and drive everywhere. You can even eat your breakfast in your car.

The provision of pavements/sidewalks is decidely lacking and public transport is pretty much non-existent. If you are too poor to own a car, hard luck. There did seem to be some cycle lanes, but they ran along major roads and weren’t segregated from all the enormous vehicles. They looked utterly terrifying. No wonder no-one was using them. Perhaps cyclists had tried, but they had all been run over.

Everywhere has air con and it all seems to run 24×7. Often with doors left open. When you turn up to your hotel/motel room, the air con is running and it doesn’t turn off when you take your card out of the slot to leave the room. It has probably been running in every room since the hotel was built, regardless of whether the rooms are occupied or not. Heaven forbid that you should have to wait 2 minutes for the air con to cool the room down.

This might be ok if the air con was powered by solar. But it isn’t. We hardly saw a solar panel in our whole trip to ‘The Sunshine State’. This is hard to fathom, as there are solar panels everywhere in temperate and cloudy Britain. When we asked one of the locals why she didn’t have solar, she told us that solar power was penalised by the power company, so it wasn’t worth it. We didn’t see a single wind turbine either.

The irony is that Florida is one of the most vulnerable places on earth to climate change. It is already ridiculously hot in the summer. A few more degrees of extra temperature will make it unbearable outside your air conditioned room or vehicle. Higher temperatures means more air con, which means more carbon in the atmosphere, which means even higher temperatures. Florida has a mean elevation of just 31m/100ft above sea level. The majority of Miami-Dade county is less than 2m/6ft above sea level (possibly less, depending on when you are reading this). The only thing we saw that looked like a hill in Florida, was in fact a huge landfill. Probably mostly full of single-use plastic cutlery. The rich are already starting to move to higher ground in Miami. Maybe only the landfills will be left above sea level by the end of the century? Florida is also regularly devastated by hurricanes. The devastation left by 2022 category 5 hurricane Ian is still very obvious and category 4 hurricane Idalia hit a few days after we left. Rising sea temperatures can only lead to more devastating hurricanes.

And Florida isn’t even one of the worst offenders, placing 39th out of the 50 US states with around 10.8 metric tons of CO2 per capita per year. In part due to the lack of any heavy industry. The worst offending state in the USA is Wyoming with a whopping 104.5 metric tons of CO2 per capita per year. Across the country Americans average 15.3 tons per capita per year, compared to 5.6 tons for the UK. And the USA isn’t even the worst offender. Qatar clocks in at 38.1 tons per capita per year.

Climate change is not some minor inconvenience where we lose a few obscure species of frogs and have to wear a bit more sunscreen. We could be talking about widescale crop failures and extreme weather events making large parts of the globe unliveable. Leading to famine and migration on a scale way beyond anything we have seen so far. Given the seriousness of the situation it is depressing to see such profligate waste. My fear is that other people will look at places like Florida and think “why am I even trying to do the right thing? Look at them!” and not even try.

We are in trouble. The current system of sovereign states with politicians driven by short-term goals is poorly placed to fix long-term, global problems. And the billionaires are not going to save us. They are the main beneficiaries of the current system and they are going to use their money and power to keep it that way. If we let them. Geo-engineering is hugely risky. Carbon sequestration looks unlikely to make any meaningful difference. Moving to Mars is a pipedream for 99.9999% of the population. This is the only planet in the universe we have evolved to live on. We are stuck here with the mess we have created in a slow motion tragedy of the commons. Individual choice is not going to cut it. We need deep structural change. Much higher taxes on fossil fuels and less enormous pickup trucks for a start. We need to get our act together, and soon. For ourselves and our children. But, having seen the situation in Florida, I don’t hold out much hope.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

My fear is that other people will look at places like Florida and think “why am I even trying to do the right thing? Look at them!” and not even try.

yea

I was talking to someone who lived in Florida, I think near tallanasty, and she said they don't even have recycling as an option for waste disposal. Everything goes in one can and that's it

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair that's basically what ends up happening to recycling in a lot of communities anyway...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Not in the UK.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

tallanasty

lol

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My dad's brother lives in Colorado (boeberts district, he's a big fan because she "speaks her mind even when it upsets people") and he was super smug about telling us how they don't recycle when we asked him where the empty cans go last time we were out there.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The western slope fucking sucks, my family out there says the same shit

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We hired a ‘mid-size’ SUV ourselves as, in a previous trip, we had found it quite intimidating to drive a European sized saloon car on American roads.

Yeah, I drive a tiny by US standards car and sometimes I'll be stopped at a light surrounded by these trucks and can't help but think of all the minor crashes that would result in my face being right at the truck bumper height

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

At the grocery store

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Heaven forbid that you should have to wait 2 minutes for the air con to cool the room down.

It takes a properly sized A/C unit ~20 minutes to cool the room 1F. I don't disagree with the spirit of the comment, though.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i grew up and spent years as an adult in florida. i left 16 years ago. i visit family about once a year. i didn't even move anywhere associated with "looking like it gives a fuck" like Vermont or Portland. i literally just moved around to other, mostly rural areas of southern and midwestern states. the difference in environmental responsibility as a civic value is mind blowing. i remember living in bullshit ass rural southern georgia and being like, "wow, people care about nature here." they don't really, but compared to florida it's a goddamn zero waste commune.

every time i go down there, it is crushing how aggressively stupid everything is. everyone has had "who gives a fuck" apocalypse brain for 20 years and frankly it's only getting worse. i honestly believe that people who pay any attention to the environment--not even because they value it, but because they understand the practical consequences of what is coming--have all been drifting away. there are certainly people trapped by circumstance, but a lot of people just don't see or care about the looming crisis. they see things like home insurers pulling out of florida, if they even see it, and don't formulate a thought about what it means. they see the crowd of people around them not caring and assume that means they are safe. that if something bad happens, they will be uniquely smart and clever and be able to get away while the others get caught in it.

none of this even scratches the surface of the broader socioeconomic issues of florida. the abysmal mental health support, the aggressive security apparatus and enforcement system, fash paramilitaries and their collaborators. take every problem with america in general and turn it up to 11, and that's florida.

it's absolutely gotten to the point that i am starting to tell family that i am not even going to visit anymore. the place is fucked.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

i currently live here and my partner and i are making moves on leaving

it is all this and more. it is the gooch of america. hot, sweaty, moist, and smelly. it sucks.

it is a red state through and through. if anyone tells you it is purple they are lying to you.

the wildest shit is a place like miami, where they are already building to accomodate for climate change while half the politicians there deny it is a real thing while also signing off on seawall projects that account for rising sea levels. you really cant tell if they are lying or if they really are in denial.

everywhere here sucks. ive lived on the east coast, in the gainesville area, st lucie area, tampa area. it all sucks. its all awful. i hate this place

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The worst offending state in the USA is Wyoming with a whopping 104.5 metric tons of CO2 per capita per year

Wait...what? Is this some weird accounting thing that happens because no one lives in Wyoming?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

tl;dr - Comparing Wyoming to, say, New York, the largest source of CO2 emissions in both states is the power sector. Wyoming uses mostly coal for power, which emits more CO2 per kWh generated than any other source, while NY uses a mix of mostly natural gas, with nuclear and hydro. Additionally, Wyoming exports power (increasing emissions counts) while NY imports (reducing emissions counts). Finally, the average Wyomingite uses about four times the power of the average New Yorker, possibly due to higher participation in industry.

https://sustainability.stackexchange.com/a/6714

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

I think it's cuz of all the mining operations and oil pipelines that take place there

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Mostly industrial operations but it doesn't help that since there's noone there everybody has to drive 30 miles by themselves in a giant pickup to the bar every night.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

over half the vehicles on the road were massive SUVs and even more massive pickup trucks

That is impressive

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

if anything that might be low balling it. i'd say it's probably closer to like 70%

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

if anything they're trying to make it worse

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Individual choice is not going to cut it.

Federated Lemmy liberals in shambles. wojak-nooo

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

apples wrapped in plastic

WTF is wrong with these people visible-disgust

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Commenting for later use

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

They looked utterly terrifying. No wonder no-one was using them. Perhaps cyclists had tried, but they had all been run over.

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A total of 961 bicyclists were killed in crashes with motor vehicles in 2021. Although bicyclist deaths have decreased 4 percent since 1975, they have increased 55 percent since reaching their lowest point in 2010. Most bicyclist deaths in 2021 (90 percent) were among people age 20 and older. Deaths among bicyclists younger than 20 have declined 90 percent since 1975, while deaths among bicyclists 20 and older have quadrupled.

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