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"[Heather MacLean, an Olympic 1,500-meter runner] realized her watch was draining the fun from her runs. It was especially apparent to her during a low-key stretch when she was simply trying to build fitness.

I hated that every run I went on, I felt like I had to check my pace and my distance and whatever else,” she said. “So I just decided that I was going to lay off it for a while and switch to a regular watch.”

She never went back. MacLean, 28, who now wears an Armitron Dragonfly that she said she picked up for $10 at Walmart, acknowledged that there were certain workouts when a GPS watch would come in handy, like when she did a tempo run by herself. (Tempo runs are faster than easy jogs, and frequently run at a prescribed pace.) But Mark Coogan, her coach, has long prioritized effort over pace, and MacLean logs her training in minutes rather than in miles.

“I know I’m at the elite level now, so not everything is going to be joyful,” MacLean said. “But when there are things that bring me a lot of joy, I’m going to invest in them. And one of those things is the ability to avoid focusing on my pace during my runs.”

Without the pressure of feeling as if she needs to account for every mile — or, perish the thought, post her workouts for public inspection on Strava, the exercise-tracking platform — MacLean has also gotten better about listening to her body. She has no qualms about bailing on an extra workout if she is feeling beat.

“And I’ll tell Mark that I’m going for a walk instead,” MacLean said. “And he’s like, ‘OK!’”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/16/sports/gps-watches-professional-runners.html?unlocked_article_code=GVDhDMsA9gjchKt2W4QjTwSM2VxC23YP7ZSRi-lUn1B5OwlIumJwgRzZxmQz8o6Edm_7pQBv20ecwzndCmSqQqv_pfCvBIMlR7aAM8sSKp5Gqh-kaUyzAP3tjQ2Dc5T7V3YrtH6-SZMcvMjXwhCl-uYizHqLTsCgPo8M0131zR4zD0iV6wXqNQxoUaYqqwzrFppVOXjTxtWHsa3lqIhwzwkmPC8xHBLvqrLjr3-I_lUXhyLt1vtOplb4_Fy_ziYTOACY1HQhNbqVK2OpnJny38ZpZTer5TFasTB2RNvTQw5qdb9aFoMtPSBx2uVBjzpUdt43zlKQQuYNTipurMJGei49JsIJvSZlPw&smid=url-share

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago (29 children)

Whatever they're experiencing, I have the opposite. It's the numbers and the data that keeps me interested and focused. It's learning to align what my body is telling me with what my watch is telling me.

If I lost access to smart watches, I'd probably not stay active

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

100% same for me. I'm a data geek. I don't even need to actually be using the data to train by to get enjoyment just out of seeing it there. Seeing my averages change, or my monthly time grow, or just looking at the relationship between pace, cadence, and stride length. That's part of the fun of it all!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I'm not a runner, but I lift and I'm very goal and data oriented much like yourself. I love to see objective measurements of improvement in what my body is capable of. I love track the sheer tonnage that I pick up off my basement floor then put right back down on my basement floor. I live to look back at my numbers from a year ago and see the difference and I think I really would lose a lot of my motivation if I couldn't.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Same, it was getting a Garmin that got me into tracking steps, fitness etc. I didn't even run initially. I walked for 18 months first. Slowly progressing to jogging bits of it, then more until eventually I was jogging the whole circuit.

I'm no elite runner. The first kilometer of my circuit has a 130m ascent of staircase up an escarpment. It's brutal and I love conquering it. But it stifles any hope of breaking time records.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same, I want more and better accuracy. I just ditched an Apple Watch Ultra for a new Garmin unit because it’s just that much better for my needs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Epix Gen 2 Pro

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. I just crossed 500mi this year, for the first time. I'm really excited by hitting that mark (I know, not a big deal to most runners), and will be seeing how high I can go without injury by year end.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone else ever just feel like every topic these days has to have pro and con article out there for people to latch onto? I'm sure it's only getting worse with AI, but there's so many of these that just seem to exist to be sticks to get people to discuss things.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm sure many of us could ditch out fitness watches if we had a coach.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Could, but wouldn't!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yes. One we trusted. Haven't had that since I stopped cycle racing. The more I've learned and experienced, the harder it is for me to trust a coach.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have a Garmin. I mainly use it as a time measure. Yeah it has stats and stuff, but it also lets me store some music on it so I don't need to run with a phone.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think the biggest problem is strava and the subliminal pressure to impress. I cherish slow runs, in between fast ones, but rarely post anything on strava, only monster workouts if any

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have my Strava set to private. I only make virtual races public.

But I am really only using Strava to collect data and pass that data on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm old and I used to run at a sub elite level. My PBs are all behind me, which if nothing else, frees me from the pressure to impress random Strava users :)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It always blows my mind that people just can’t tell themselves no. Notice you’re looking at your Watch for every little thing and don’t like it? Then train yourself to not do it. Jesus.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some people are wired differently, ain't no thing

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand your point. I just believe that self-discipline is a skill that can be worked on no matter who you are or what kind of brain you have.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Isn't that exactly what they're doing by ditching the watch?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I set my Garmin to show just my heart rate for direct feedback on my effort. I can nerd over my other stats after the run/ride/whatever.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not all of us are working with the same mental hardware, either.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I understand your point. I just believe that self-discipline is a skill that can be worked on no matter who you are or what kind of brain you have.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Am far from her athletic level, of course, but I ditched my Garmin Forerunner 220 for the exact same reason when I was in my peak condition. It's a great watch to help you get to and maintain healthy cadence, but once that becomes ingrained in your running style focusing on data i simply too much. These days this overpriced piece of plastic just sits on a shelf somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I was thinking about that during my run yesterday. It was on my wrist but I didn't really look at it because now I know what feelings to look for. It's been very very useful as a beginner though when I was always running too fast.

It still has a use for me because I like setting up adventures. Pick points of interests on a map, set them as compass waypoints and try to find it while running.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have a dozen cheap watches and one smart watch. I only wear the smart watch for dress up events.

I get how people are motivated counting steps and what not, that's perfectly valid. Power to ya! But my body and mind know if I've moved enough for the day, or failed to do so.

I'm outside and moving, a lot. At first it was neat to have a watch telling me what I had done, not so much anymore. And how valid is the data? There's a hella difference walking around the office/downtown, kayaking a swamp and hiking smooth/rough trails.

Gf and I are sporting $20 1980's Seikos. Much love! I also have 3 Swatches from back in the day. Point being, go with what works for you. Hell, I'm told I'm ancient for even wearing a watch. (Are they in fashion again?)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

But my body and mind know if I’ve moved enough for the day, or failed to do so.

I wonder how much of it comes down to that. I never know when my body has had enough until after the fact. I've ran myself in to a stress fracture without even realising that I'm hurt, because it's so hard for me to hear what my body has to say.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As the Born To Run guy says, mind and body don't speak the same languages! Often true for me. I too, have run myself into stress fractures while certain I was listening to my body.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

anyone got a archive copy, or gift pass to see it?

Edit, thanks I came here from elsewhere, reading now. my bad

-- its an interesting perspective. I don't have a coach who can check splits or plan my runs by time. I could plot and guess, and I'm sure I'd do well, might be interesting to see if I can produce results w/out a watch, but I do like it. Like earbuds / music u do you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's weird, when I'm on trail I don't care much about pace or whatever, but when I'm on the road it's like my watch is always there judging me.

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