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Originally it was going to be "over the last twenty years" but I decided to be more flexible.

A lot of discussions about how society has changed or how the world is different always circle around to smartphones, social media, "no one talks to each other in person, they're on their phones always" and the like.

Outside of those topics, what else has changed, by your perception?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I've been arrested, held up at gun point, and spent a few weeks in a Texas jail in the 90s because I like smoking weed. Now I have 3 weed stores within 2 miles of me, and it's as mundane as buying a loaf of bread. So that's a positive in my book.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Outside of formal settings, I'd say that it's uncommon for women to wear skirts or dresses in day-to-day life now.

Menswear is considerably more casual. This is a trend that's been going for over a century or so, so it certainly didn't just happen during my life, but it did significantly change in that time.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The circa 1990 nature of American society has been erased so completely that it is hard to believe how drastically it has changed.

Movies used to depict child molestation (Indiana Jones) or outright rape (Revenge of the Nerds) as normal and to be celebrated when it was done by the heroes. A lot of crimes got viewed through the lens of whether it was “our people” doing them. The thinking features in a lot of old movies.

The cops who beat Rodney King were found not guilty by a jury, in the first trial. After all, they’re the cops, they’re allowed. Drunk driving was fine, as long as you were one of the right kind of people. The cops would beat the fuck out of people and it was fine. The factory in town could be polluting the river and it was fine as long as dad had a job. And so on.

The uniformity of thought that TV enforced, before the internet, is really not well understood. If you thought Israel was bad, then you and Noam Chomsky were literally the only ones. Even as late in the arc as the Iraq War, I would say about 95% of the people who didn’t get their news from the internet supported the war. Watch one of the debates where Ron Paul was speaking against the war with everyone else (except the audience) just weirded out and confused by it, or the “Media-Opoly” short that aired on SNL once and then never again, to get some idea by contrast of how airtight the lock on narrative used to be. TV and newspapers are still kind of that way, but they don’t have the media monopoly they used to. It used to be that someone probably would live their entire adult life without ever hearing the kind of political viewpoints you see every day on Lemmy as normal things.

On the other hand, along with the expectation that everyone was kind of a piece of shit and that’s how life is, came a kind of backbone for resistance that I feel like is missing today. Woodstock ‘99 would be a pretty normal “yeah they robbed us” badly organized festival today. It was way better than the Fyre Festival, and people at Fyre just took it, or called their lawyers. At Woodstock ‘99, the kids threw bottles and batteries at Kurt Loder, broke in the ATMs and stole their money back, and then ripped the venue apart with their bare hands and burned it all to the ground.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The cops who beat Rodney King were found not guilty by a jury, in the first trial. After all, they’re the cops, they’re allowed. [snip] The cops would beat the fuck out of people and it was fine.

This hasn't really changed though.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It absolutely has. Before Rodney King it was always fine. From 1992 to about 2014 it was mostly fine. From 2014-2020, it was a debate, and after 2020, they're pretty much always guilty. There's a whole interesting conversation to be had about why it was that all kinds of riot and peaceful protest had basically 0 result until 2014-2020, and then in 2020 it all of a sudden starting working significantly.

Anyway, now under Trump, some of the reform is going backwards. There were some outlier departments that were still in the 1992 mode, and the feds were doing some things to try to come down on them, whereas now it's the opposite, Trump is actively pardoning dirty cops. Great stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I swear that before 9/11, middle eastern people in the US counted as "white", or at least white-but-you-can-make-fun-of-their-accents-and-names like Italians or Polish people did

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Yeah it went from taxi driver jokes to terrorist jokes

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If a single act of terrorism can remove an entire ethnic group from whiteness, then I wanna see the rest of the world agree that European Americans aren't white. It would be funny

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

No smoking indoors anymore. I remember when you could still smoke in a hospital. Then they limited it to just a "smoking lounge" on each floor. Followed eventually by a ban inside...to finally no smoking anywhere on hospital property.

Not to mention airplanes, restaurants and movie theaters.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

It still feels a little odd to me that restaurants don't ask "smoking or non?". Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted everything stopped smelling like ash. But it's surreal to remember my grand parents chain smoking over pancakes at Dennys.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I got started on the Internet in 1988. You had to learn Unix (Linux didn't exist yet) and the command line (GUI Internet didn't exist yet), and had to manually piece together files to download them (www didn't exist yet).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Gods, and I felt I was early. I used gopher pre-www, and definitely had interacted with computers by 88, but interacting with networking by that time was virtually unheard of outside of academic or defense settings.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Everyone has reduced their perception of the world to a Bad Apple-esque black and white extreme of good or bad. All In Support or Nuclear Strike Disapproval. No inbetweens allowed.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The mall was full of stores with good quality products that you would value for a non insignificant amount of time if purchased.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

More aggressive driving. Statistics even support it so it's not just an anecdotal thing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

the population of the u.s. has increased by almost 100,000,000 since 1990. that's a lot more assholes on the road

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/population

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I’ve noticed that too. I also noticed a very large uptick after Covid and things opened back up. It seems like people genuinely forgot tact, decency, and rules. It’s weird because Covid wasn’t THAT long that we were locked down.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (5 children)

When I was still a kid, we went from bring a plate of cookies to your neighbor and introduce yourself to DON'T TALK TO STRANGERS!!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

The most noticeable change I see is how everyone buys stuff they can't effort all because of how easy it is to get a loan. With interests of course. Now everyone has a house, a car, an expensive smartphone, nice vacations, eats at fancy restaurants and nice café. Compared to previous generation this was mostly impossible for the vast majority of the population.

So life go easy in the facade because everyone just gets a loan.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

When I was a kid, it was assumed that boys asked girls to dances and not the other way around. In the recent Pixar series Dream Productions, a tween girl is asked who she's going to ask to the school dance. It's now treated as normal for girls to ask boys. She also ends up not going with a date and just going with her friends.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Cartoons went from the majority of them having a unique enough art style to distinguish them from one another. If you take a silhouette of heads/faces from cartoon characters in the 90s and 2000s ( don't have experience with prior decades besides the standard MGM cartoons, Jetsons/Flintstones, or things like Looney Tunes or Tom and Jerry ) you'd be able to tell the characters apart, even if you don't even know who they are. Try doing that with most all 2010s and upwards new cartoon characters and you'll get the exact same ugly, generic, and sanitized bean shaped head/face/smile imaginable.

There have definitely been some examples that might deviate a little from that mold, like Summer Camp Island, but those are far and few between anymore.

Also, for the most part, I would consider the overall quality as having been declining as well. I haven't seen a lot of shows, so my experience should be taken with a huge lump of salt, but besides shows like Steven Universe, Summer Camp Island, etcetera, the storytelling hasn't been as tight ( all of this in my opinion ), they're banking on you not actually paying attention to the show itself so they can cheap out on every single step, art style is being sanitized and overly simplified to cut costs, and jokes are all devolving into "LOL RANDOM", but that might have been a 2010s thing and I hope it's dead.

It also doesn't help that fans and fandom culture over time have become worse as well as you'll usually find a vocal minority who will kick and scream while doxxing you because you ship the wrong 2 fictional characters together or don't believe their exact highly specific headcannon, regardless of whether you are the creator or nor. Though, I'm debating of getting rid of this section because it might bleed too much into social media.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Better but much more expensive insulin, although price has gone down significantly since Affordable Care act.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Cable TV use to be something that teathered us all together in a way. We were all stuck on the same schedule for premiers of new episodes of different shows so we all had a common thing to talk about come the next day. Now I have no idea what’s playing on what service and have just given up on staying up to date on the new shows. I could have access to $TVShow but probably won’t watch it because I don’t like to binge watch so it takes me longer to catch up and by the time I do it has already left the minds of my peers so why bother.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

Smoking cigarettes isn’t just not cool anymore, You’re actually likely to be socially ostracized in a lot of countries where it used to be popular. My perspective is the US, which is a very clear example of this.

Weed, however, is way more accepted. To the point where if I’m using a vape I almost feel a social pressure to clarify to people I’m getting high and not smoking nicotine.

It’s rather funny when you think about it

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

“no one talks to each other in person, they’re on their phones always”

No one talks to each other on their phones either. They send texts.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Extreme drive for individualism leads to the society where nobody cares about others and the strongest wins. I wonder for how long the community can survive in these conditions.

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