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Russia has moved to classify key demographic statistics following a dramatic collapse in its birth rate, which has plunged to levels not seen since the late 18th or early 19th century, according to a leading Russian demographer.

For decades, Russia has been experiencing a plunging birth rate and population decline, which appears to have worsened amid its ongoing invasion of Ukraine—with high casualty rates and men fleeing the country to avoid being conscripted to fight.

Projections estimate that Russia's population will fall to about 132 million in the next two decades. The United Nations has predicted that in a worst-case scenario, by the start of the next century, Russia's population could almost halve to 83 million.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

If AI and robots will take over so many jobs, why is a declining birthrate a bad thing, in the long term?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago

depends on where its decling, if its only like elderly left and the young not reproducing thats would be a problem.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

I don't think ruzies are worried about technologies they can't even afford.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

because all wars are a war of attrition. the country with the largest military or the deepest pockets always wins.

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (20 children)

…Wow.

So what’s the tankie angle to this? From that perspective, the war is objectively awful for Russia, even if all the stated war goals are true.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (5 children)

The tankie angle is that it’s NATO’s fault. Would never have happened if mean old west hadn’t invaded Ukraine and genocided Russian-speakers who are ethnically and linguistically identical to Ukrainians but also totally different and superior but also must be defended by daddy Vladdy.

And also Ukraine is an inseparable part of Russia, especially Crimea. Khrushchev was only kidding when he gave Crimea to Ukraine, which isn’t a real country.

And the west totally broke its verbal promise that no one’s ever heard to never allow another country into NATO. But The Budapest Memorandum wasn’t worth the paper it was written on. For some reason.

You just don’t understand Russian history. Russia has a very long memory. When it comes to grievances. Theirs.

You’re just russophobic.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Ugh, you said that way too well.

Still (again, rolling with the reasoning), it's an existential problem, no matter who's fault it is or how much of a victim they are or how much fatalism they've accepted...

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The beloved and benevolent putin is merely protecting the country from the overpopulation seen in the west.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

There's no overpopulation in the west. Fertility rates are too low to maintain the current population.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, they didn't say the angle had to be factual.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago

So what’s the tankie angle to this?

“Sure this news is bad, but what about this non sequitur?”

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"see! Putin is pro environment! Less people is better!"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

"Can't have racism if there are no remaining races!"

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Even russian women don't like russians.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I think the implication is actually that there's a marked dropoff of eligible young Russian men. To preserve a generation, Russia might soon need to use more North Koreans on the Ukrainian front, but that comes with its own problems and risks.

It's weird that Putin's avoiding peace negotiations, as he more than anyone needs to find a way to scale back the war effort before his hold on power begins to waver. I get that he needs to save face while doing so, but he's not gonna get conditions more favorable than a Trump administration, so the clock is ticking.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago

yea putin, fuck the world up and then complain that people are not making kids. we will all die in our own filth when the infrastructure collapses and you can wipe your ass with all that money and power

[–] [email protected] 21 points 22 hours ago

No one wants their children to grow up in a corrupt Oligarchy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

That's not a good look.....

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago

Interesting. I never really considered how we could use birth rates to extrapolate how many people may have died in war.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

China will help repopulate Russia. Forcibly.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's the Russian resistance's long game: in 10 years, there won't be enough young people left to send to die at the front, so the war will naturally peter out.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

No one wants to live in putins world

Shit i mean meow

[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

If they classify it, it means it's a lot worse. Ukraine should send more steriliser over to russia.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Ukraine didn't cause Russian men to lose their balls, they gave those up willingly.

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