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It’s almost like the good ol’ days of install fests and the like! ‘End of 10’ is an organization that’s making it easy for Windows 10 users with computers that can’t upgrade to Windows 11, to install Linux instead of sending good hardware to the landfill.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 minutes ago

Show me how to use the Xbox app in Linux and I will switch today.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Remember when Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last Windows? I 'member.

[–] LeFantome 13 points 9 hours ago

I was for many of us. So, they were not totally wrong.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago

They didn't. They said it was the last version of windows you'd ever need.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I'm glad people are helping others move to Linux once the EOL support for Windows 10 comes. There's no reason for good hardware to end up rotting in a landfill. Not only can people use these machines still, it helps the environment since there's less electronics wasting away in landfills since most people don't properly recycle electronics.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago

My old gaming PC isn't "good enough" for Win11 (tpm2 ofc), yet compared to the Win11 PC my wife's work forced on her you'd think it was some sort of future supercomputer

If enough people actually ditch their hardware then we server admins are going to eat good this year, mmmmmmm

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 hours ago

I'll talk there hardware and turn them into servers if they want to throw there old computer away

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Can’t you just install bit defender? It’s just that one chip on the board that was added about 10 yrs ago to prevent hackers using that desktop tunnel on the elderly. So dumb that they had to promote large scale computer waste over a piece of hardware smaller than a thumb drive.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Once it goes eol, get it off the network. But lots of other good ideas already in here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It really needs to be made louder that if you are stuck on 10 that you should not let it have internet access

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Unless you switch to IoT LTSC, which will continue to get security updates until 2032. It's kinda bullshit that they're still making the security patches and then just refusing to give them to consumer 10 users.

[–] LeFantome 1 points 9 hours ago

They are selling them. Look into ESU (Extended Security Updates).

$30 a year.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

Quick question. I have a studio pc running win 10, with dozens of audio and video projects. It's basically impossible to transfer to Linux, macOs or even win 11 since it involves a ton of audio plugins, etc. and my projects would become unsable.

What does end of supports involve for me? I actually disable updates and a while back since it was sometimes screwing things up. My most recent projects are done either on my M1 mac (work thing) or my most recent.Linux station on Nobara. Should I be worried about anything? Should I disconnect my old studio pc from the internet to avoid it being fucked by microsoft?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 33 minutes ago

or even win 11 since it involves a ton of audio plugins, etc. and my projects would become unsable.

Have you looked into this? Because Windows 11 is so much Windows 10 with a UI change that they didn’t even update the NT number.

Like, Windows 2000 was NT 5, and XP, which was very similar to 2000, was NT 5.1.

But Windows 11 isn’t NT 10.1, it’s still NT 10.

At their core they’re very similar. I’d be shocked if something designed for 10 wouldn’t work with 11.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago

Get the w10 enterprise edition that gets patched for 4 more years.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

You should back up your windows 10 pc as an image and use it as a virtual machine on the Mac or some other Linux environment. Once support stops nothing really bad would happen, besides security stuff and maybe perhaps some unexpected hugs. So you could just disconnect it from the internet too but the VM option isn’t reliant on the hardware which could go bad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Intetesting, I didn't thought of that. I'll give it a try. If I can get an image to run in a VM to allow me to access archived project when needed, that would be the perfect solution. I'm just worried about all the plugins activation, etc. Hopefully it will work. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Unexpected hugs are the best kind of hugs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Once updates end in October, Windows 10 won't be secure and probably shouldn't be allowed to connect to the internet. It will still continue to function though. You can buy a year of extended support for Windows 10 for $30, but it's unclear whether there will be support after that.

Probably best to start switching to something else, or plan to run that PC offline.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That seems silly to be running offline. There are some businesses that still run windows 98. So why would windows 10 suddenly be way off worse ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah our shop still uses windows 7 PCs connected to the internet

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

It shouldn't get fucked by MS they'll just stop adding things to it to prevent outsiders from fucking it up. You'll be alright for now, but keep an eye out for any potential vulnerabilities that get found after end of support. Then that's when you can start thinking of disconnecting it from the internet. That is if you can't risk yourself being patient 0. Then in that case you should disconnect as soon as end of life comes around.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

And even if you don't want to... Find someone who does! Donate that laptop to someone. Find a LUG or Mutual Aid group or a friendly local anarchist :)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Wait so someone might wasnt the top of the line Macbook Pro from 12 years ago that someone gave me?

[–] LeFantome 3 points 9 hours ago

Yes please. 2013 MacBook Pro? I use a 2013 MacBook Air every day. I am sure your MacBook Pro is much better.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

A pretty large amount of people don't own a PC at all, though I'm finding it surprisingly hard to get a good number on it. Just anecdotally, most people I know who aren't IT professionals have either no PC or 1 old laptop, often from college or on loan from work. Most folks use their phones for everything. People I know with kids have school issued Chromebooks, which barely counts.

As to exact numbers, I'm curious what others can find. I turned up between 74% and 94% of adults in the US owned a PC, which seems insanely high to me. But on the same page claiming that 89% of all households have a PC, I also saw

In the United States, the number of households with computers is projected to surge from 4.7 million to 120.45 million between 2024 and 2029, indicating a substantial increase in computer ownership.

Which... That's bonkers. They expect the number of PCs (in homes) to go up by a factor of 30 in just 5 years, presumably that guess was before tariffs as well. I'm wondering if these household and per capita numbers somehow include corporate spending because businesses and schools do purchase literal tons of computers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

4.7 million sounds like a typo honestly. 47 million would make more sense considering that many people need their own PC to do freelance work.

I'm doubting that many people will suddenly see the benefits of PCs over phones and tablets in order for these numbers to blow up, but I could be wrong. It seems that mobile devices fill that need for most people and it's been that way for a while. Given the tariffs though, it may be a comparatively better time to get a PC for gaming than an Xbox or PS and that could bring the numbers up.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 21 hours ago

Whatever will I do without my deshittified emotional support laptop :'(

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

endof10.org seems like a good website to direct people to via posters in your local community center or church. Or you can call a repair club in your area to ask if they want to be listed. Those are likely to have some Linux enthousiast members and already have a location.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Im hearing proton is good for games?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Proton is so good that even when a game has a native Linux version, I often opt for the Proton version (so my games are all in one place). I was even able to install mods for games like Baldur's Gate 3 (albeit with a bit of tinkering)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

When I installed the Linux version of “7 days to die” the graphics were washed out and bad. I switched to the windows version with proton and it fixed the game.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

7D2D is one of my all time favorite sandbox open world zombie games. I love HUGE modded cities to explore. Their dungeon system that came out a few versions ago is fucking awesome. The pois are amazing, even when they are just a basic farm house.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yes the game is awesome, I have played almost 700 hours so far. Offline and online, I ran a few servers too, lots of fun playing with others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

I don't remember how many hours I have, but I've been playing since Alpha 11 when you had to make weapon molds lol. I hated that system.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

My wife and I started a new playthrough yesterday.

It's things like this that make me think I'm the main character in a simulation.

Start playing 7D2D again amd then immediately stumble across it being talked about randomly on lemmy haha

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, it's the consistency of it that's so impressive.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago

It is outstanding

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Been playing for years on a nearly daily basis, from Baldur's Gate 3 to Elden Ring to now Clair Obscur... to VR with e.g. Half-life : Alyx. That's on my desktop and often also on my Steam Deck. So... yes, Proton is very VERY good for games!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

Clair Obscur is running more smoothly for me on Linux than Windows. That doesn't always happen, but it's always satisfying when it does.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

i second @[email protected]
it's fantastic for like 85% of all games, and good to acceptable for like 10%. the only big issue is games with kernel level anti cheats, which is a problem for some gamers, mainly AAA and fps lovers.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Games with kernal anti-cheat should be treated with precisely the level of respect they show to us.

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