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[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 minutes ago

Also, don't forget the entire story is about fighting racists who want power to wizards, but only pure bloods.

But Rowling is racist as fuck.

Why write these books? When you clearly are on Voldermort his side in real life?

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 day ago

Jessie Gender has a video where she explains gender with Hogwarts houses as a metaphor. She filmed it before JK went crazy and uploaded it much later with an explanation how long ago she filmed it

[–] [email protected] 136 points 1 day ago (15 children)

It's wild to me how progressive HP felt compared to the underlying "conservatism good, actually" message underlying it. How the hell did a whole generation of kids miss that? Poor reading comprehension? Or is it that the US is so regressive that English conservatism feels progressive?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I mean when you look at Harry Potter through a magnifying glass it's actually very pro status quo with a lot of issues breaking down to "the wrong people in charge" a lot of gestures made towards the sort of social problems of the society... Like look at house elves. We meet Dobby and everyone agrees that slave holding situation isn't ideal but once we meet more house elves we learn that Dobby is kind of a weirdo and that they are effectively a sentient slave race with only exceptions like Dobby taking issue with being bound. Hermione sees this as a legitimate issue as any potential elf could be a Dobby but then great detail is placed about how annoying and virtually pointless her advocacy is but the rest of her society and the framing effectively informs the reader - "don't think about house elves. Dobby is fine. It's not your problem and shouldn't be." It's framed as a problem to be solved on a small scale interpersonal basis because by and large the system works.

It's generally difficult for people to critically read a narrative that throws up that many hairpin bends particularly when the set ups are made in the book that these things are social problems... but then never paid off. That it happens a fair amount innthe books is a fairly confusing yarnball. It feels progressive in the same way a company mission statement that is not being enacted in any real way feels progressive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

I mean, I don't think that framing is out of line for the age range of the protagonists.

Yes they are saving the world, but they're not exactly politically connected, aware, or savvy to initiate policy change.

So Hermione does what most middle or high school kids do. She advocates and protests.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

It's framed as a problem to be solved on a small scale interpersonal basis because by and large the system works

I dont get this phrase after the because

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

“By and large” just means “for the most part”.

Edit: also “with few exceptions”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Oh darn sorry i could have googled that i guess. I genuinely thought that this was a typo. Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It helps to read it as "...because, by and large, the system works"

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A big problem is that early on it's teased Harry would become this "Anti-Voldemort" figure who renews the Wizarding World and completely restructures it, and then he just becomes a cop and maintains the same status quo that got his friends killed.

So foreshadowing that doesn't pay off because JK sucks at writing mostly

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

Exactly. It always been witchy Star Wars. If you look too hard, you'll just find stuff that wasn't actually there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It's been a long time since I read the books or watched the movies. In what way does Harry become a cop?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

He literally joins the wizard world equivalent of the police force

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

As far as i remember, it isn't mentioned in the first 7 books. It might be mentioned in the curse we don't like to talk about (the cursed child) and/or in all her ramblings on pottermore or whatever that site was called.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 23 hours ago

How the hell did a whole generation of kids miss that? Poor reading comprehension?

In my case, probably, but I was like 14 by the time I read the last book so I don’t really blame my younger self because at that age I definitely wasn’t looking for any deeper meaning and just enjoyed the fantasy and escapism.

[–] [email protected] 129 points 1 day ago (1 children)

thinking back about my experience with hp i didnt have the political understanding yet, to notice the injustices that i was not suppose to notice or question and i did not notice that the presented solutions are all kinda non-solutions.

all i saw was that hp fought against injustices like the fantasy nazis and that they liberated this one poor mistreated elf and became friends with the kids who were looked down on, while showing those mean nazi spawn bullies of. in a way hp has the simplistic analysis of good and bad that a child might have. while also being a flawed kid.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 20 hours ago

There's a great breakdown on YouTube by Shaun on the Harry Potter books, but one of the things that I like that he points out is that you can basically watch JK's political stance change in real time as the books progress.

When she started writing them, she was "impoverished" (to some extent she also benefitted from help like living in a place owned by her sister for free), and the story starts out railing against the system and those in power. As the books took off and she began to benefit more from that same system, the plot began to be more about how the system is great and shouldn't be questioned, but only the right kinds of people should have power. If you're a Good Guy, you can use the Killing Curse and it's okay because you're a Good Guy. If anybody else uses the Killing Curse, then they're a Bad Guy and that's horrible. The wizards keeping magic away from the Muggles, a power that could solve many of the world's problems, is a bad thing at first, but Harry goes on to become a magic cop to enforce that very same ban at the end of the series. There are tons of examples in the story.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 day ago

I mean, when I was reading the books as they came out, I expected “oh yeah obviously he’s gonna overturn the corrupt order and we’re gonna pay off on this whole elf slavery plot, which surely is written comedically just because an unflinching representation would be far too dark for a kids series.” That’s how stories like this usually end, after all.

And then, uh, it didn’t do any of that.

So I think it’s something like “it’s fairly generic, the other stories in this genre skew left, and nobody expected it to have a weird aggressively-centrist swerve a decade later.”

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is not conservatism but peak liberalism, where the problems aren't the power structures but that the people on power are not good enough. This is why at the end of the series no structural changes are done, the only thing that changes is the people in power is the Good Ones(R).

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (12 children)

I agree, but liberalism is by nature conservative.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Can't deny that

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It didn't skip past me, even as a kid, in the perfect age bracket to grow up with the book series.

...

Oh, fat and ugly people are always also internally, morally, unfixably flawed.

Oh, the super blonde aryan coded people are magic nazis.

Oh, a base level of magic racism is more or less normalized.

Oh, those elves are slaves but its ok because they actually really love being slaves.

Oh, the banking system is run by cariacatures of Jews.

...

I noticed all this shit as a child, and was pestered and guffawed at for pointing it out.

This is before I even knew 'Trans' was a thing that could and does exist, before I even knew that you could be gay or lesbian or bi.

I still was, as recently as a few years ago, poopoo'd for mentioning these problems in Harry Potter... by the ... Potterhead/Disney Princess/Goes to Disneyland once a year people I used to know, who self describe as all over the gender rainbow, but aren't capable of acknowledging that these problems exist, because magical escapism apparently requires full doublethink... and those people would also routinely hypocritically mock my own mild cisgender nonconformity.

...

Yeah, the Overton Window in the US is/was so thoroughly shifted rightward, in so many ways, that 'we can have a story line that involves magic' was considered widly progressive, compared to the baseline of 'Pokemon cards are demonic because they involve evolution' and 'DnD is demonic because roleplaying is impossible and it makes you a Satanist Witch/Warlock'.

...

Animorphs was more progressive and mature.

Here kids, time to learn about the horrors of war, first hand, as told by a teenage terrorist group!

Things are shitty and messy and unpredictable, and the world revolves around how youand others handle morally gray, fundamentally complex scenarios, not cookie cutter, simplistic good vs evil decisions that are far less difficult to evaluate!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

ANIMORPHS WAS MY FUCKIN JAM, HOMIE.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

Animorphs is effin A. They should make a TV show out of that. There has never been an Animorphs TV show.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

The book covers were ludicrous.

But...

Perhaps one should not judge a book series by its covers.

...

In the event you didn't know, there does actually exist a rather poorly executed single TV season of an Animorphs TV show... didn't get good ratings, think it got a DVD release at some point, but it does exist now on I think at least one streaming platform.

Also... I believe these are official: More recently, basically much of the book series has been adapted to graphic novel/comic book form, and has been released that way.

Also also... there is a video game? Actually several?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animorphs

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can you explain the "conservatism good" message you see?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (5 children)

the bankers in book one are literally a bigoted analog for jews.

an entire swath of story is about “mudbloods” and race mixing and some characters railing against it.

there is actual slavery.

stuff american conservatives are all pushing as ideas in our current world.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

The goblins, no argument here. But the rest, it seems like the entire point of the book is fighting against those things?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Against the slavery of the elfs that was a Hermione thing that everyone else laughed about and it was used on the book for comedic bits.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago

It's not just comedic bits. It's all over the place, just hitting the reader over the head that slavery is good because actually they like it and it's good for them.

It's really annoying because Hermione does say something like they only like it because that's the system they've been forced into and it's all they know, but then everyone just rolls their eyes and says that she's stupid for thinking this. It's almost like Rowling knows that it should be seen as bad and why, but then can't actually bring herself to write that because it blames systems, not people.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So, the smartest character in the book fights for their freedom. I'm sure a lot of readers shared the opinion that the slavery was wrong.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Her fight was still presented as a joke, bet half the readers just went "haha silly Hermione, who dosen't wants free servants??"

Edit: on top of that, Rowling uses the trope of the natural state of the slave is being slaved and is actually good for them, with the other freed house elves that is depressed because she dosen't have a family to work for.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Yes that edit is a good point that I'd forgotten.

Moved on to Terry Pratchett early on, so much better in every way.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And then she just stopped doing it, I guess, because in the last book's epilogue literally nothing changed with the system

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

By then she was one of the "Haves." Turns out she was selfish all along.

Edit: I mean the author, not Hermione

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

And they were all antagonists, they werent being portrayed in a good light, they were all portrayed as evil.

At least in the movies I never actually read the books

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's a very British conservatism. it's about blood. the story has people constantly accusing Harry of having bad parentage; as his aunt says "bad blood will out". a left leaning story would have shown that blood had nothing to do with it. Harry was not raised by his dead parents regardless of how good or bad they are. Harry knew trauma and abuse, then was given his values by Dumbledore and hagrid and lupin and his friends.

but that's not what happened. in the end it's not that blood and lineage doesn't matter. it's just that his parents were actually high class and wealthy. so Harry won because he had good blood and was the chosen one. he won because of the innate quality he was born with.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've never been able too reconcile the writer of HP with the person she has shown herself to be.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The books are still good, the movies are still good, the author will not be remembered.
If the kids ask, she's as good as gone. Might have never existed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

the author will not be remembered

Why? Seems people still know Pol Pot, Hitler, Jimmy Saville, and many many more.

We shouldn’t try and write people out of history, else we are prone to repeat it. We should remember people for the good and the bad.

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