People who consume sci-fi and fantasy thinking there should be no politics, don't understand the genre at all.
Can we really point to a single instance of a good sci-fi/fantasy that doesn't touch on politics/societal commentary at all?
I doubt it.
this post was submitted on 09 May 2025
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I'm waiting for someone to say that Babylon 5 never got "political"
Star Wars is about the battle against fascism.
Which is indeed why the Imperial officers all wore Hugo Boss nazi uniforms.
George Lucas did also say at one point that he based the red and green laser fire of the Imperial and Rebel forces on the tracers being fired by the US and Viet Cong, which was an iconic bit of imagery that was widely televised. Also:
However, when Lucas sat down with director James Cameron in 2018, he revealed how the Empire was also meant to resemble America — particularly the way it prosecuted the Vietnam War. Cameron pointed out how the Rebels are a small group using asymmetric warfare against a highly organized Empire. Today, Cameron added, the Rebels would be called terrorists. "When I did it," Lucas replied, "they were Viet Cong."
In other words, Lucas viewed the Vietnamese as the rebels and America as the invading villains. He further explained that Star Wars was a "vessel" in which to place his worldview that the United States had become an empire during the Vietnam War, doomed to fail like every empire before it. Cameron noted how those views carried over into the Star Wars prequel trilogy, especially in Padmé's line, "This is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." Lucas replied, "We're in the middle of it right now," referring to the country's political state.
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Besides of the "Wars", it also has a lot of explicit politics, it's just the Intergalactic Empire isn't being controlled by the National Socialist Sith Party.
Once I realised it was Twitter, it all makes sense. It's a hellsite let it die.
Yeah who tf is still scrolling that shit unless they're thumbs can't unclick the dumbass X icon on their phone
Close to kind of getting it - Lucas has compared the empire in Star Wars to both the American empire during the Vietnam War, and the British empire during the American Revolution.
And drew inspiration from Nazi Germany when conceptualizing the Empire.
War is politics
"Noooo, war in entertainment media should be good guys fighting bad guys!"
"Americans fighting middle easterners for example.
Non-political stuff like that."
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he followed up to simultaneously say he was joking while also doubling down 🤦
I actually thought he was being ironic. I thought, someone who was actually engaging with the allegory enough to acknowledge the correct answer and so quickly—this couldn't have been their first time thinking about it.
This second reply is very confusing if that's true, though.
Lol, he's literally doing the "I was just pretending" comic.
i like this version
Sure Aaron... You were being "Ironic"...
https://xcancel.com/theronster/status/1919491001296552311#m
He trebled down a year later. I think he is actually trying to be ironic in his bio. But he's still just an idiot.
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The original book "Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker", which came out before the movie. Literally describes Emperor Palpatine as Nixon.
Star Wars has always been political.
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Really there's nothing that's not political in some way. Politics is the expression of human wills and desires and people tend to say something is political when they disagree.
"Keep politics out of ____" is just "I don't want to ever assess my ethics with a critical lens."
Yuppp. It's basically like admitting you like the present ideology, and just don't want to think about how life could be better.
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Literally. Politics is all about the power dynamics between people. If there are two or more people there will always be a power dynamic even if the two are on good terms and do not exert power over each other.
It’s like how you can always describe the color in any given painting, even when the painting is monochromatic.
Woah there, that's leftist woke propaganda, talking about human wills and desires. I was brought up apolitical so I'm sensitive to these things - I can only vote for the Republicans because every other party is just too political.
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I wonder why BioWare was pressured to cut out so much of Juhani’s content in KOTOR. I don’t think that was a BioWare decision - Jade Empire and Mass Effect both had lesbians. I’m not really willing to give George Lucas rainbow a lot of rainbow points.
If Finn and Poe’s chemistry had been allowed to blossom naturally, I think the sequels would have been much better. The attempted “theme” of “it doesn’t matter where you come from, you can shape your own destiny” just would be so much better if the story had been about Finn’s growth and reconciliation with his past work for the First Order. Then you don’t have Rose (and the subsequent ridiculous internet harassment that poor actress received) and the aborted character/subplot.
You can even do Palpatine returning, just have it be more like the Thrawn clone shit. Less Jedi stuff, more people stuff. You’re even copying the structure of the original trilogy that way - Rey is off doing her Jedi training stuff, while Poe and Finn are on related adventures that lead them to growing closer and closer.
Like I’m 99% sure the actors for both characters have even said that they agreed with the fact that those characters were needing each other.
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To be fair, the Rebels weren't Asian stereotypes, how were the dummies supposed to recognize that?
Did you know there is a vegan heavy metal artist that named one of his songs your username?
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Political: the act of making people feel bad about their dumb choices and opinions
Woke: whatever a right winger doesn't like
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Wars are political in nature, it doesn’t even need to get to this shallow of a depth
"War is a mere continuation of politics by other means" -Carl von Clausewitz
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Every so often I wonder how people could be so stupid and/or heartless to bring the world to where it is today and then I see an American tweet something outstandingly silly/inmoral and I remember, lol.
Also, Americans use the word "political" to mean ethical nowadays. And whenever they recoil because you said something like "hey, wars for profit are wrong" or "gay people shouldn't be killed just because they're gay" and ask you to stop being 'political', they're just admitting they don't stand for anything, no self-restraining rules nor lofty ideals. This is why the Nazis could also go as far as they went: "just follow the leader and I too will succeed, I don't believe or stand for anything except what has been told to me and I'm a good boy for following". They want/got the bag, and fuck you, basically.
Also, Americans use the word "political" to mean ethical nowadays.
A certain segment of our population has been told to equate words like "political" and "woke" with "That person is saying or doing something that might influence someone about something I've been told to disagree with".
It's incredibly horrifying how quickly this same segment of the population has been conditioned to view the rest as "weak, sensitive, entitled weirdos who can't handle even the slightest criticism without seeing it as a existential threat" while simultaneously being conditioned to throw a tantrum when anyone takes an action to support something they've been told they should disagree with.
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It's astounding any living thing which is that deeply stupid can survive to adulthood.
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this post is cool and right but remember that disney is complicit in genocide
they are far from progressive
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This is sort of wrong, though. lucas has said he drew inspiration from all the tiny country vs. giant empire fights - american revolution, vietnam, the winter war, Yi Sun-Sen's defeat of Japan, etc.
Vietnam was the most culturally prominent in the US, but beyond the superficialities (little force defeats big force) the stories don't really track at all. Like: there was no deathstar moment, there wasn't even a single decisive victory (the US just got sick of the meatgrinder and public pressure overcame the political will to continue). The US also wasn't defeated then replaced New Republic style, the NV weren't going it alone in their fight against the empire and nobody threw Kissinger off a cliff at the end (mores the fucking pity),
He drew ideas from a LOT when writing it; presenting it like it was inspired by a single event is pretty disingenuous.
George Lucas wrote some stuff, and his ex-wife worked with him in some capacity. There were some that said George Lucas was a visionary genius and he also had a wife and so of course she was involved. There were some that said that George Lucas was a big self-important orangutan who couldn't write for shit, and his ex-wife fixed it all up and turned it into an epic story because she had some apparently pretty significant screenwriting talent. And who's to say? Surely there would be no way of going back in time and examining this intimate process in retrospect and finding out.
And then, the wife having left, he wrote the prequels without her involvement, and the world got its answer.
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I prefer the 18th century Carl Von Clausewitz's definition of war:
War Is politics by other means
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