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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

This is an amazing policy. Very simple, very effective. It comes at a time when Labor is trying to push more housing and Octopus energy makes these panels very economical for the average UK home buyer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

well with reform UK replacing conservatives, solar panels might be deemed too woke in the next couple years

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

By 2027? Why not now? These things have never been cheaper. Mandate batteries as well, LiFePo is cheap as hell and it would save so much money it's stupid not to.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

Educated guess:

  1. To allow the supply chain to adjust so we don't cause a sudden shortage skyrocketing the price of solar, making homes more expensive to build or delaying construction

  2. A lot of new build are basically copy pastes of the same design, so companies have time to properly adjust designs for them and not just haphazardly slap them on to existing ones which could cause problems

  3. Red tape and Bureaucracy. Updating laws and regulation takes time, then there's risk assessments environmental planning, maybe adjustments to the grid layout on new estates.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Building takes years. You have to subdivide, plan for utilities, stormwater and traffic, permit the buildings, etc, and suddenly invalidating a bunch of stuff midway through the process they just picked a date 2 years out to avoid the legal and administrative nightmare of yanking existing permits and making them re-design.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I heard our glorious leader will be making an upcoming EO mandating all homes be retrofitted with coal-burning stoves.

Oh say can you see

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Just in time for their $66M studies into dimming the sun!! 🥴

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A few decades late, but needed nonetheless.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If Reagan had had a hint of forward thinking he wouldn't have un-installed Carter's solar panel. It was among the FIRST solar panels installed for any residence in the US and it was mentioned as part of his farewell speech.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

/c/unexpectedUSAmerican

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

England churning out those new homes at the rate of one every five or six years, so it's not as late as you'd think.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Now harness the power of gravity and rain. 🙈

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

You hang a tub from a rope outside. The rope is connected to a set of gears with a super high ration. Connect the gears to a generator. When it rains, the tub will fill with water and will add to the energy going into the generator. Reset it by draining the water from the tub when it touches the ground, and then putting the tub back in the original position.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Whatever happened to “solar shingles”? There were supposed to be a couple of companies making them, but you never see them on houses.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

As far as I understand it they are just a worse solution than mounting standard solar panels on a roof. More expensive, less efficient, thus only gonna get used for aesthetic reasons.

Kinda like solar roadways and some other on the surface cool sounding but in practice niche technologies.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago

They are more expensive and less efficient. Very few people use them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Wasn't Elon pushing solar shingles/roofs a couple of years back?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

They were a scam to justify his self-bailout of Solarcity with Tesla funds.

The demo Musk introduced last October at a splashy presentation was a glass-tile solar roof, much different from the metal prototype he’d seen before. How did he pull off this transformation in just weeks? More to the point, who executed the idea and when? Leaders at Tesla and SolarCity, including Lyndon and Peter Rive, gave a variety of different answers on the timeline of its origin and development. At first, the companies said Solar Roof was a Tesla product, and then, later, a SolarCity product. Public statements are similarly contradictory. Some involved with the product’s development suggest that the mixed messages are a result of the combined companies’ wish not to appear as if they rushed out the glass-tile prototype in order to be able announce a high-profile product before the shareholder vote on the acquisition, which some critics viewed as Tesla bailing out SolarCity.

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No matter how the Solar Roof came to be, it seems to have worked: Three weeks after Musk’s presentation, 85% of shareholders approved the Tesla-SolarCity merger.

A few years later...

The Tesla Solar Roof tiles are still alive, but the product is on the back burner at Tesla as it failed to achieve its promises.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Man he was shilling hard for that, then all of a sudden he just stopped. I read a good number of stories about the solar shingles overheating, catching fire, burning down, malfunctioning...probably related to him going silent on them.

I've had my doubts about that stuff since I heard about it.

Perhaps it's better as a concept than it is in the real world, with real world conditions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Tesla solar was one of the companies, yes. GAF was also making them and I think a couple of others had them in development.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (29 children)

While solar power is great and possibly the future, I sure hope they fully thought this through. A lot of areas with large numbers of solar panels are struggling to manage overcapacity. Solar energy produced is not always sent to the grid but wasted, as there is often not enough grid-scale storage capacity to absorb it. I'm no expert, but I wonder if mandating smart in-home sodium-ion batteries which intelligently charge and discharge based on grid capacity wouldn't be more effective.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Really, solar panels are just one solution of a home energy system.

Governments should be looking at regulating microgrids for all homes where solar, stationary battery storage, electric vehicle storage, and even diesel/gas generators or geothermal contribute.

As you say, if you don't have a means for local storage and the grid is maxed out, your panels are wasting away their free energy by self-consumption.

Sodium-ion batteries will absolutely seize a portion of the market share, but I don't think we'd want governments restricting building requirements to specific technologies. The analogy in solar panels would be governments restricting home requirements to polycrystalline silicon, when you have other 1st Gen PV types (monocrystalline), 2nd Gen (thin film CdTe), and 3rd Gen (thin film perovskite, organics).

Microgrid controllers would do the smart dis/charging that you're talking about, as well as automatically dis/connecting from the grid and shutting on/off critical loads.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

missed opportunity for the grid to have battery backups of sorts.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sunlight hitting a roof without solar panels is also often not sent to the grid but wasted. In fact, I'd say that more solar energy is wasted on roofs without solar panels than with.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People who install solar on their roofs usually expect to recoup some of the costs by sending energy to the grid. When, increasingly often, they have a choice of either shutting the system off and wasting this energy or sending it to the grid at low or even negative rates, this becomes a problem. The expectation of "my solar system will pay for itself in X years" might become "my solar system will never break even". At least that's an issue in some places with high PV density.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

You're allowed to use the solar on the roof before buying from the grid which will save you tons on most days. The UK grid operates on marginal pricing so if you buy from the grid the highest price provider dictates the price.

This essentially means that you pay the peaker plant nat gas price for electricity where every MWh hits pretty hard on the bill. To recoup the investment in the UK, especially with the interconnectors inside the Eurostar tunnel, is pretty easy and a decentralised grid allows the UK to skip building a lot of power lines for energy that's used locally.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People who install solar on their roofs usually expect to recoup some of the costs by sending energy to the grid.

Not under this law. This whole article is about solar panels being mandated by law, regardless of whether or not the installer thinks they can profit from them. Keep moving those goalposts, though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I’m just pointing out an issue with residential PV which, when I first heard about it, surprised me. I hope it does not surprise the people making these laws.

Imagine if, some years from now, seasonal solar oversupply might become in the UK and the people with these by law mandated panels face the choice to either manually switch off their systems or pay to send their solar energy into the grid. It sounds stupid but this seems to be happening in places with high PV density.

And btw you’re getting me wrong, I am a big fan of residential solar. I've got a small system. It’s just, at scale, apparently more complicated than covering every roof with panels…

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

This is a top comment

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

The downside is that when they have too much they turn it off. This is a wonderful problem to have. Your own damn article said it encouraged them to go harder ramping up the storage. It's more cost effective when there's more storage on the grid. Totally insignificant non problem, meanwhile the earth is on fire.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (4 children)

We actually have a growing amount of gravity battery capacity in the UK, currently a drop in the ocean around 15GWh, but I believe 200% of that is currently in construction.

IIRC the same article I read about this suggested we could make use of all the old coal mines, retrofit them to become gravity batteries relatively cheaply and gain magnitudes more capacity than we have today.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The UK is no where near the point of having too much power through the daytime. Today was pretty sunny, better than average day especially for time of year. At mid day there was still 5.8GW of fossil fuel use and 3GW of biomass, so about 8.8 GW of CO2 production. Or to put it another way of the 32.5 GW of power needed solar contribute 3.41GW.

There will come a moment where there is an issue where more storage is required to use that power through the evening and night or negative power pricing but its not the issue yet there still isn't enough renewables to make it through a day without burning gas even on a windy sunny day so promoting more Solar and Wind is still necessary to get to netzero for grid power in 2030.

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