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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Well, no but actually yes. See the countless videos of people in Ukraine flying a DJI into a Russian airbase and just dropping fucking grenades on planes.

Also, consider:

  • We already have military drones that are practically fully automated, and we had our first fully autonomous kill decision five years ago now.

  • DARPA did some tests with an AI piloted fighter jet in 2022, it successfully killed all human enemy jets 5/5 times.

  • The weakest part of an air superiority platform is the squishy meatbag flying it. Without having to worry about keeping a human alive, you can make air superiority fighters that are vastly more capable with high-g maneuvering and more compact air frames.

Now, Elon's not talking about air superiority drones, he's talking about drone swarms. Drone swarms ARE a real threat, but AFAIK they're more of an infrastructure threat in that they're usually worried about in the context of disabling ships, airports, etc. not individual fighter jets. For that, you get Vadim to tie a grenade to his DJI.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I have one piece of Military classified tech that makes every plane useless. New war is never going to use drones or planes or they will lose everything.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's an anime sword, isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It has the power of god and anime inside of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

This guy has studied the blade while others spent time on leisure activities

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

The weakest part of an air superiority platform is the squishy meatbag flying it.

Only true of 4th Gen jets. 5th Gen doesn't need as high maneuverability. If they did, you'd see further developments in combat drugs and water breathing suits.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

New weapons almost never replace old ones, they supplement. Drones aren't going to replace piloted jets, but they can absolutely supplement them in the form of wingmen. Drones won't replace artillery, guided missiles or grenades, but they will replace SOME of them.

A drone swarm will never replace a jet, but it might replace some artillery bombardments.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

The documentary piece called Ace Combat 7 told me that jets would win.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago

The trick is to use the drone while the plane is sleeping in the hangar

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is a lot more improvement that can be made to drones (Coordination, guidance, speed, etc) and advancement in battery technology seems fairly inevitable

[–] kogasa 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Unless the improvements include making them fly at the same speed and height as fighter jets I'm not seeing the endgame.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

They don't have to be faster, they just need to be in front of the fighter jets and small enough that they can't be seen until too late

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

so hovering minefields then

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Now you are getting it

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But how do you get the crewed aircraft to hold still long enough?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think we are going to be getting to a point where signal jamming is going to become a more critical part of warfare. A military base isn't going to allow any kind of transmission to occur nearby in order to protect itself.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is why laser targeting is a thing. Cant jam a laser beam.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

fiber optic drones (spool of fiber optic cable gets video signal from drone, and sends commands) is unjammable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago

Great way to paint yourself

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

smoke barriers has entered the discussion

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

slight breeze counters your defence

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What about those smoke machines from discos? Just put 5% of the military budget into permanent smoke generators. And of course additionally 2% for speakers to create a creepy ambiance

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

So THAT'S why the war simulator games from the early 2000s had all those fog of war simulations going! It wasn't rendering distance capabilities at all!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Drones could act as automated movable flack. Just get a bunch to get near the flight path and explode. There are definitely drones with a range way over 1 mile.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Or put some pieces of high-carbon steel/titanium on the drone and just let them get sucked into the intake.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Elon is just dishing out the same Russian talking points as Pierre Sprey. Updated to acknowledge Ukraine. High tech weapons could never defeat Russian ingenuity.

Of course they want to talk about the massive impact of drones! Distracts from the abysmal performance of Russia's military. If these grifters were actually just neutral observers amused at military incompetence, they don't have to look to the future. Aug'22 has enough unforced error anecdotes to last a lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ehhhh, drones have meaningfully transformed the battlefield. It's why trench warfare came back; basically every inch of the battlefield is under constant surveillance. The instant a large number of people jump up out of a trench, some drone operator is talking to an artillery crew. You'd best believe that our intelligence and defense apparatus was taking extensive notes. Emphasis on was.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Oh don't worry, Russia will happily sell their sabotaged notes

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (12 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Thank you for the mnemonic.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Easy. One mile is 1609.34 meters. One meter is 3.28 feet. 1609.34 times 3,28 is 5278,63.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

So you just need about six drones to reach the necessary altitude..

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Doesn't it also depend on how long the mile is?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Clearly at speed or altitude the aircraft should be safe, but it is vulnerable on the ground, at take off and landing. Obviously there are counter measures. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-65591023

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

Jets are usually most vulnerable on the ground. This is another attack profile the air field defenses will need to guard against, along with cruise missiles, stealth bombers, hypersonic missiles, and many more.

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