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There's an infamous anti-piracy advertisement from back in 2004 that online oldsters will immediately recognize: "You wouldn't steal a car," it begins, complete with shakycam footage of some sketchy looking dude popping a lock, before rolling into various other types of theft and eventually equating it all with downloading a copy of Shrek 2. The ad makes it dramatically clear: Stealing Shrek will get you hard time in the slam when you're inevitably busted for your criminal ways.

It was, and is, overwrought and silly, and so of course it inspired numerous parodies and memes: The British comedy series The IT Crowd did a particularly good one a few years after the original aired—in fact the old URL, piracyisacrime.com, now directs to The IT Crowd Clip on YouTube. I urge you to watch it. The ad itself was only around for a short time, but "you wouldn't download a car" has endured in shitpost form for decades; it's practically embedded in the fabric of the internet at this point.

But as good as many of these parodies are, none are as ridiculous (and funny) as the recent discovery that the world's best-known anti-piracy ad may have used a pirated font.

The distinctive font used in the ad appears to be FF Confidential, created by Just van Rossum in 1992. But there's another font called XBand Rough that's virtually identical, and when journalist Melissa Lewis reached out to van Rossum about it, he told her XBand Rough is an "illegal clone" of FF Confidential.

This is where it gets interesting. After all this, another Bluesky user named Rib used the FontForge tool on a PDF file from the old anti-piracy campaign, available via the Wayback Machine, and discovered the file in question uses the XBand Rough font—the clone.

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[–] MichaelMuse 1 points 1 day ago

This ad probably made more people aware of how easy it is to pirate movies and introduced the idea of doing that than it ever deterred people from pirating. I see the advertisement in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZm8vNHBSU

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Didn't the commercial use unlicensed music too? I feel like I remember there being a lawsuit for unpaid royalties or something.

Edit: Yup!

Edit 2: I'm an idiot who didn't fully read what I posted.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

From what I read that actually wasn't true , at least not for the 'you wouldn't steal a car' (or more officially: 'Piracy. It's a crime.') clip.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Edit: Yup!

Your link claims the exact opposite.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Yeah. I didn't fully read the article lol. Thats on me.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I love our spiderman meme culture where everyone is pointing their fingers at each other accusing them of stealing their idea/song/art/etc.

I can never understand how people carry so much water for corporations who could care less about them. We are supposed to rearrange our entire society around their revenue streams.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

yeah. it's mind blowing to me how the Internet was convinced to give up its a culture of piracy and privateering and become sycophants for corporate protection of IP under they imaginary impression that they are "protecting artists".

There were industry executives and think tanks litterally quoted (in the 2000s) for saying that their job was to effectively convince people that piracy "hurt the artist", that this was the way to stop piracy: convince people they were hurting artists by piracy.

Turns out, almost no artists except the most extraordinarily successful make any money off copyright or IP. They mostly make their money the way they've always made their money: ticket sales, merch sales, performances, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yo, that is my sequence of 0's and 1's is how ridiculous it all is in the digital era. Not to mention I have to pay for and maintain the hardware to even access the content.

I also have a hard time understanding the self imposed artificial scarcity we live with. Copying work/art/ideas/science is literally the point of humanity. We are truly living in a perverse time where corporations steal our culture and spoon feed it back to us for profit and control.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

You should watch this from the "don't be evil days" days of google.: https://youtu.be/mhBpI13dxkI

Copyright isn't, and never has been, about "protecting the artist".

It was, and is, and has always been, about controlling the means of distribution.

Interestingly, if you look into the lecturerer of that video, they are very active on mastadon.

[–] MichaelMuse 0 points 1 day ago

The central takeaway is a critical examination of copyright's history and its current relevance in the digital age. The speaker promotes a shift in the conversation towards a model of creativity and distribution decoupled from traditional copyright, emphasizing that copyright was historically designed to protect distribution channels rather than support artists. He argues that the internet's capabilities render those mechanisms obsolete and calls for a new understanding of creativity, free from the constraints of the current copyright system. Ultimately, the speaker urges the audience to question the widely held beliefs about copyright and to support the free flow of information. The youtube video is summarized by transcriptly

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Watching it now, I am pretty sure I know most the history but there is always more to learn. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Funny, but fonts can't be copyrighted.

They say the ad used XBand Rough, an "illegal clone".

If you redraw an entire font, pixel for pixel, manually, it is not an illegal clone. This happens all the time. The creators of the ad just used a copy that was free.

So ironic, yes, illegal, no.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Typefaces cannot be protected by copyright in the US, but by some stupid interpretation, fonts are software, which is protected. Really annoying how tech-illiterate judges can screw up something this obvious. Even if the technical implementation of a font was something that should be protected IP, it should be under patent law, not copyright.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There's no rational reason typefaces shouldn't enjoy protection.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

In general, not interfering is the default position, there needs to be a reason it should enjoy protection.

Need to look at the goals the legislators were pursuing when they wrote the law. If protecting typefaces hinders the production of new books, that goes against the intent of the law. It might not make a difference on that front NOW, but back when typesetting was done by hand, and you needed a whole set of physical type for each typeface, it was a bigger deal.

The point of copyright is to encourage creativity, and there are reasons you might not care about encouraging creativity in typefaces. It's a bit like trying to copyright how you pronounce a word, getting TOO creative here makes it more difficult to convey meaning, and people will do it anyway without the protection of copyright, it's just a natural consequence of how language develops.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Yea, and in this instance, they were using a free font.

Personally I think the artistry in the typeface itself is what should be protected.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

pixel for pixel

I don't think it was a bitmap font.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you copy a font, bitmap or not, you're doing it as a pixel map on a pixelated monitor.

[–] dukk 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

most fonts nowadays are vector based, so they aren’t really created with pixels :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Vector is still pixel maps. Open an SVG in a text editor 😉

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

The font of Theseus!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm just waiting to be able to download a house.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

With VR, you kinda can.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It sucks that today, this message would hit hard with theaters of people cheering and clapping.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You wouldn't download a bear

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Fuck you. You don’t know what I’m into!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

I'd rather download a bear than download a strange man, that's for sure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Didn't they already get busted for not licensing the music?

[–] [email protected] 111 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If I could steal a car by downloading it over the internet without depriving the original owner of it and with similarly low risk of getting caught/prosecuted for it I would absolutely steal a car. I wouldn't steal a font tho, that's just beyond the pale. :P

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Sligthly off topic but I think this actually may be some kind of Mandela effect, because I think a large number of people actually think the commercial said 'You wouldn't download a car' because of all the memes but it actually said 'You wouldn't steal a car'

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

I've heard that too, but I saw the original commercials and remember it as 'you wouldn't steal a car'.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Huh, I thought it was called the Mandala effect

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I mean, just think about the meaning. "You wouldn't download a car" doesn't make any sense lol

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My eighty year-old parents have "borrowed" my car for a year.

I, too, would download one if I could.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

And so would they I suppose. It crosses generations!

[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I haven’t been this shocked since I found out the original McGruff voice actor was arrested with a bunch of guns and weed plants

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

It looks like I'm using an adblocker you say? Well, I have to agree there!

Short of being able to actually read the article, "free my mans he didn't do nothing." So what he had weed and guns including destructive devices according to the ATF, did he hurt anyone or was he just mega fucking cool? If nobody was harmed and he didn't have a manifesto, the worst crimes he's guilty of are "possessing metal we say no to" and "smoking herbs we say no to," I.E "not shit."

Now, if he did hurt someone or threaten his wife or some shit, then yeah, lock him up and give me his guns and weed for safe keeping.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wasn't there also a problem with the music rights?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Time to update that headline

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

The hypocrisy is unreal. I have been successfully holding onto my final shred of hope in the goodness of humankind, but this tips the scale. I give up. Now I only have despair in the badness of humunkind. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to drown my sorrow by bingeing on Napster, Scour, BitTorrent, newsgroups, and Gnutella.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In fairness, I poisoned one food item in every music executive’s house as punishment for them being thieves.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I forgot about Dre but I was fairly comprehensive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Did you forget, or you just act like you forgot about Dre?