Fuck that. Russia needs to go home and give Ukraineβs territory back. Any concession to Russia is showing the world that expansion of nations territory by force is still acceptable.
this post was submitted on 25 Apr 2025
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So much this ^^^. If Ukraine is blackmailed to give land away, then we are all screwed because even this leftover of international law crumbles. The Orange doesn't care at all, all he sees are possible deals with Putin and profits by Ukraine extortion.
Exactly. Ukraine gave up land for peace in 2014. Putin said thank you and came back for more.
No, the only solution is to assist Ukraine in stopping Russia.
The problem is... the world thinks that it IS acceptable. EU is still against it, but the USA is already done.
"One of the scenarios is⦠to give up territory. It's not fair. But for the peace, temporary peace, maybe it can be a solution, temporary," he said [...]
[...] his country may have to give up territory, albeit temporarily.
What does this mean? How do you give up territory "temporarily," especially as "the 53-year-old [...] stressed that the Ukrainian people would 'never accept occupation' by Russia"?
Mr. Klitschko should rather listen to Svitlana, the teacher cited at the end of the article: "Those who think that Putin will stop if he is given Crimea, they don't know who the Russians are, he is not going to stop."
How do you give up territory "temporarily,"
A long time ago Ireland did it. We're still living with that partition today and as part of the good Friday agreement we gave up our constitutional claim on the North. There was a referendum on it (all constitutional changes here require one) and I, along with the vast majority of the Republic, voted in favour with some caveats which would allow reunification.
If they concede now that land is gone though. Gone. There will be no caveats given to Ukraine.
Appeasement never worked. When Putin wants those territories he will have to pay with his own blood!
Well, if they straight up GIVE the territory to Russia, it isn't occupation, of course, it's ownership. So it's obviously the vastly superior option of the two only options left to Ukraine. /S
Mr. Klitschko's statements sound somewhat like Neville Chamberlain's "Peace of our time" declaration. We all know how that turned out. Can't believe that he believes this is a realistic scenario.
Yeah, I think that boils down to: Zelensky is a better negotiator than Trump. He doesn't give in before the real negotiations even started, so he has some concessions left to make...