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Back when Star Wars wasn't woke [genderfluid] (discuss.tchncs.de)
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That paragraph comes from the 1997 book The Bacta War, the fourth book in the series Star Wars: X-Wing

I find it "funny" when fans of sci fi and fantasy rant about how "back in the day, authors just told stories without any woke agenda" -yada yada yada- meaning such themes weren't discussed, but when you actually look back, sci fi and fantasy always was full of "woke" themes (mostly because that was the best (and often only) places where such things could be discussed and explored).

Idk, just wanted to share this and thought it might be interesting to someone here.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I read this book 20 years ago, and new exactly where this paragraph came from. My mind is truly like a lint trap.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This reminds me of how Hamill described Star Wars (i.e., the original film) as "effortlessly feminist." Shit's been "woke" since 1977, you CHUDs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Well, other than there not being bras in space and Carrie Fisher confirming she got casting couched...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I believe the reference was to the content, not necessarily the process of its creation.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure, but would an anti-slavery work still be anti-slavery if it was produced with slave labor?

Or would it just be superficial posturing for profit?

I think you can certainly argue the point from a utilitarian point of view but that is dangerously close to talking about the ends justifying the means.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can appreciate art while still criticizing the artist.

You might choose not to give them any money though.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 day ago

Sure, that's why I stopped supporting Feminist Icon Harvey Weinstein.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Source on the casting couch claim?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

I remembered myself hearing about some interview where she said something similar. Went looking for it and found a Vanity Fair interview from 2006 where she says:

I slept with some nerd. I hope it was George. I took too many drugs to remember.

When asked about how she got cast in Star Wars back in the day. So not enough to say she got directly extorted sex for the role, or just happened to be sleeping around and whoever she slept with went "Damn, she'd be great in this movie."

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They either forgot because they didn't think much of it since they weren't completely consumed by right-wing propaganda, aren't actual fans of the genre, or simply justify it by saying those characters aren't human. Either way it's a dumb argument on their part.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Many saw it as kids and don’t think about it any further.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

That too yes

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

they forgor

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

All forms of art (whether it’s books, music, film or games), back when they created by actual artists (who seem to generally hold wildly progressive views), will be subversive, thought-provoking, counter-cultural, and a whole other bunch of descriptors that can succinctly be boiled down to ‘woke’ nowadays.

[–] kn0wmad1c 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They/them aren't necessarily plural, though.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can't really differentiate there, right? So it doesn't matter how it's meant, the one being spoken to can decide.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

Or the many being spoken to 😉

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

maybe.... maybe star wars isnt so bad aftr all ~

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Star Wars isn't the issue. The Company behind it is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

yisyis ofcours!