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Back when Star Wars wasn't woke [genderfluid] (discuss.tchncs.de)
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That paragraph comes from the 1997 book The Bacta War, the fourth book in the series Star Wars: X-Wing

I find it "funny" when fans of sci fi and fantasy rant about how "back in the day, authors just told stories without any woke agenda" -yada yada yada- meaning such themes weren't discussed, but when you actually look back, sci fi and fantasy always was full of "woke" themes (mostly because that was the best (and often only) places where such things could be discussed and explored).

Idk, just wanted to share this and thought it might be interesting to someone here.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago

I read this book 20 years ago, and new exactly where this paragraph came from. My mind is truly like a lint trap.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

All forms of art (whether it’s books, music, film or games), back when they created by actual artists (who seem to generally hold wildly progressive views), will be subversive, thought-provoking, counter-cultural, and a whole other bunch of descriptors that can succinctly be boiled down to ‘woke’ nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

This reminds me of how Hamill described Star Wars (i.e., the original film) as "effortlessly feminist." Shit's been "woke" since 1977, you CHUDs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

Well, other than there not being bras in space and Carrie Fisher confirming she got casting couched...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

I believe the reference was to the content, not necessarily the process of its creation.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, but would an anti-slavery work still be anti-slavery if it was produced with slave labor?

Or would it just be superficial posturing for profit?

I think you can certainly argue the point from a utilitarian point of view but that is dangerously close to talking about the ends justifying the means.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You can appreciate art while still criticizing the artist.

You might choose not to give them any money though.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 18 hours ago

Sure, that's why I stopped supporting Feminist Icon Harvey Weinstein.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Source on the casting couch claim?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago

I remembered myself hearing about some interview where she said something similar. Went looking for it and found a Vanity Fair interview from 2006 where she says:

I slept with some nerd. I hope it was George. I took too many drugs to remember.

When asked about how she got cast in Star Wars back in the day. So not enough to say she got directly extorted sex for the role, or just happened to be sleeping around and whoever she slept with went "Damn, she'd be great in this movie."

[–] [email protected] 20 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

They either forgot because they didn't think much of it since they weren't completely consumed by right-wing propaganda, aren't actual fans of the genre, or simply justify it by saying those characters aren't human. Either way it's a dumb argument on their part.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Many saw it as kids and don’t think about it any further.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

That too yes

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

they forgor

[–] kn0wmad1c 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

They/them aren't necessarily plural, though.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 16 hours ago

You can't really differentiate there, right? So it doesn't matter how it's meant, the one being spoken to can decide.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

maybe.... maybe star wars isnt so bad aftr all ~

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Star Wars isn't the issue. The Company behind it is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago

yisyis ofcours!