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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago

And people complain that climate protestors hold up ambulances, even though they always let emergency vehicles through.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago

The german guy is playing it up for views but i do agree that's pretty bad. In Australia we have similar laws - you must move aside for emergency vehicles, penalty is a fine and demerit points on your license.

And in practice it is unusual for cars not to move - usually someone elderly/distracted that didn't see or hear them and probably should get a driving retest. The ambulance will squelch their siren / blast their horns as a reminder for people slow to move, but in my 20 odd years of city driving I have never seen an ambulance stuck like in OPs video - and yes, every major city gets traffic just as heavy as that with lanes just as wide.

This is a video of an ambulance running through fairly heavy traffic in Sydney that shows how rarely they get blockaded by traffic and how most drivers try to do the right thing. Low res unfortunately, but it is 11 years old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsplO_2l4hE

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

Dieser Kommentarbereich ist nun Eigentum der Bundesrepublik Deutschland

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Park near a fire hydrant or pass a stopped school bus and everybody freaks out, but this is just fine somehow

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago

In NYC people block hydrants all the fucking time. Only time it's enforced is when there's a fire, by FDNY

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Of course the ambulance have a reinforced bumper. I think the cars would move out of the way if it means that your gets damaged of you don't

[–] [email protected] 29 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

For anyone wondering, the Rettungsgasse ("rescue aisle") is something we do on longer stretches of road whenever congestion happens, to allow ambulances to pass through as quickly as possible. Everyone on the right side of the road keeps to the right and everyone on the left keeps to the left, forming a roughly ambulance-sized gap in the middle. On multi-lane roads, it's formed to the right of the left-most lane.

There's also laws for it. You can get fined, if you hold up the ambulance, because you failed to form the Rettungsgasse, or if you have the audacity to drive down the Rettungsgasse to try to skip a traffic jam.

It's not really a thing in cities like shown in the video, as we'd typically try to drive into side roads or onto parking spaces or the sidewalk to make room for the ambulance. The laws don't apply there either.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

This is the law in both America and Canada, the issue is either just assholes deciding they are more important than the ambulance ,or a lack of places to move.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

And also we just let people die instead of enforcing the rules.

Fuck drivers

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Most of province 20 over the limit seems fine and you got a really mean cop if you got a ticket for it, even though we know speed, tailgating, agressive passing all increases the risk for a collision that tax payers ultimately pay for.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

The ambulance should havet the right to trash the cars of they don't move out of the way. That would maybe get people to move.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

Put a giant cowcatcher in front of it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

While that sounds nice, it also risks the ambulance being rendered immobile, or the equipment/patients being thrown around.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe not ramming them at full speed. But just enough to put a dent in their car.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

Okay. Now we have a damaged ambulance and a damaged car, but the ambulance still can't pass. What's the advantage?

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not to defend our shitty car-centric society but most places in the US aren't so bad. I would guess that New York in particular presents more challenges for smooth ambulance traffic than almost anywhere else in the country due to its high traffic density and relatively narrow roads and streets. People likely want to move and can't. Excluding bicycle issues, Americans are pretty good about observing traffic laws and knowing when to give way. (but yes, to a German person, American drivers probably seem like troglodytes)

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

That's fair, but this issue is solved in European cities, via mass transit lowering the number of cars on the road, ambulances being built smaller to fit down narrow passages, and wide bike lanes which ambulances use in emergencies. If anything, NY might be one of the cities most poised to implement all these, if it can just get its shit together.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

I live in East Asia, where public transport is given major funding and has high ridership. There is no law requiring people to move their cars for an ambulance and people just don't bother. Ambulances routinely get stuck in traffic.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I believe this video is from before the congestion pricing in NYC. I wonder if and how much it has improved since.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I’m in Manhattan this week, and have watched an ambulance slowly move down a street as cars struggled to get out of the way. Even with congestion pricing, there just isn’t much room on the narrow one-way streets.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I've lived in many European cities with narrow-streets. Somehow ambulances don't struggle too much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Not sure what to tell you, only reporting what I’ve seen. On the avenues they’re fine, it’s just the east-west streets in midtown I’ve seen them struggle with.

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[–] wischi 6 points 1 day ago

Not only that, in many places there are dedicated bus, and taxi (and sometimes tram) lanes which can also be used by emergency services.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Yep. Traffic gets the hell out of the way and stops immediately if there are emergency vehicles trying to get through where I live, even in the city.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Not to defend our shitty car-centric society but most places in the US aren’t so bad.

+1. I've never seen this problem in Chicago. Most people pull over and stop until the ambulance has passed.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's why nobody drives in New York. Too much traffic.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

They're paraphrasing a Yogi Berra joke.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

I knew it from Futurama, but you learn something new every day!

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago

Audio: Whoever needed it, they're dead.
Subtitle: Whoever needed it, they're okay.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago

NYC needs to ban cars

No cars on the island at least

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I looked it up, and the Rettungsgasse isn't a thing in Germany on city streets, only on highways (Autobahnen) and roads between settlements (Außerortsstraßen). (TIL it's a thing in Germany on roads between settlements because here in Austria it is only a thing on highways.)

There's still an obligation to move out of the way for emergency vehicles, but there are situations where that simply isn't possible. There are sometimes dense urban traffic situations similar to the one in the video in Germany too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Living in Germany, I beg to differ.

In the situation shown every vehicle would have to move somewhere to let the ambulance pass.

Even if that means sidewalks or crossing red lights. Had to do so myself on occasion.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You simply move out of the way. Nothing more to it.

I've never seen a siren stuck in traffic in my life here in Belgium

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Same in Sweden.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

Same here. I'm German. I mean, yeah, maybe for a few seconds or something. Until people fucking moved out of the way.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Neither have I in America.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Now I want a kinky bicycle. I just have a straight one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Tape a dildo to the seat, now you have one too

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Kinky and straight aren't mutual exclusive 😏

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ah, so it is because of bikes! /s

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

This is something of a new development in my experience. When I first started driving, people would actually move over to allow emergency vehicles to pass. But since COVID, it's just gotten ridiculous. Absolutely nobody pulls the fuck over anymore.

I am also pretty sure it's still against the law to not make way for emergency vehicles.

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